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Ukraine just yesterday flew a MIG-29 back from Romania, unarmed and escorted to the border by Romania jets/from the border by armed Ukranian jets. No-one seems

by gpm 5y ago

Ukraine just yesterday flew a MIG-29 back from Romania, unarmed and escorted to the border by Romania jets/from the border by armed Ukranian jets. No-one seems concerned that that's an act of war.

988747 5y ago
No one seems concerned, except the NATO Secretary General who rushed to Poland specifically to stop Polish President, Andrzej Duda from lending Polish jet fighters: https://news.yahoo.com/no-eu-countries-aren-t-233404478.html https://news.yahoo.com/no-eu-countries-aren-t-233404478.html Also, that one jet that flew from Romania was flying BACK, because it already belonged to Ukraine, just had an emergency landing in Romania for some unknown reason: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44514/su-27-returning-from-romania-will-likely-be-last-fighter-ukraine-will-get-for-some-time https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44514/su-27-returning-...
- gpm 5y ago
  The argument that you are making is that "Allowing to use the military infrastructure, such as an airport is an act of war". How in the world is letting a Ukranian jet land and take off at an airport making less use of that airport, than giving Ukraine a jet and only letting it take off from the airport?
  - 988747 5y ago
    Well, we don't know the whole story, but the fact that it was Ukrainian jet, not a gift, could matter a lot. Those things aren't strict rules, it is all based on perception by both sides. Sending 70 fighters, as EU planned, or allowing them to operate freely from Polish airports would anger Russia much more. Which apparently isn't something NATO is willing to do right now. EDIT: the fact that the jet was Ukrainian gives Romania plausible deniability - they can always say that the pilot wanted to fight, and took the jet against their will :)
- chasd00 5y ago
  this is the shit that will kill all of us. I feel like avoiding a larger conflict overflowing more borders is going to require perfect decision making. What you linked to is not perfect decision making.

by gpm 5y ago

Ukraine just yesterday flew a MIG-29 back from Romania, unarmed and escorted to the border by Romania jets/from the border by armed Ukranian jets. No-one seems concerned that that's an act of war.

988747 5y ago

No one seems concerned, except the NATO Secretary General who rushed to Poland specifically to stop Polish President, Andrzej Duda from lending Polish jet fighters: https://news.yahoo.com/no-eu-countries-aren-t-233404478.html https://news.yahoo.com/no-eu-countries-aren-t-233404478.html Also, that one jet that flew from Romania was flying BACK, because it already belonged to Ukraine, just had an emergency landing in Romania for some unknown reason: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44514/su-27-returning-from-romania-will-likely-be-last-fighter-ukraine-will-get-for-some-time https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44514/su-27-returning-...

gpm 5y ago
The argument that you are making is that "Allowing to use the military infrastructure, such as an airport is an act of war". How in the world is letting a Ukranian jet land and take off at an airport making less use of that airport, than giving Ukraine a jet and only letting it take off from the airport?
- 988747 5y ago
  Well, we don't know the whole story, but the fact that it was Ukrainian jet, not a gift, could matter a lot. Those things aren't strict rules, it is all based on perception by both sides. Sending 70 fighters, as EU planned, or allowing them to operate freely from Polish airports would anger Russia much more. Which apparently isn't something NATO is willing to do right now. EDIT: the fact that the jet was Ukrainian gives Romania plausible deniability - they can always say that the pilot wanted to fight, and took the jet against their will :)
chasd00 5y ago
this is the shit that will kill all of us. I feel like avoiding a larger conflict overflowing more borders is going to require perfect decision making. What you linked to is not perfect decision making.