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If so, did those people not build (and thus own) this platform? Is it not their right to sell it to others? I am not asking this so much to challenge your state

If so, did those people not build (and thus own) this platform? Is it not their right to sell it to others? I am not asking this so much to challenge your statement, as I agree that it's darker, but to demonstrate that clearly the platform delivered value to music consumers like myself, and perhaps we as music consumers should be willing to compensate the folks who build "glue" like Bandcamp more in order to provide such a great service in the future.

mkr-hn 5y ago
If Bandcamp saw people who bought music on Bandcamp as consumers, then Bandcamp didn't understand the people who used it, and this might be for the best.
- posterboy 5y ago
  Conversely, if Sweeney saw users as participants, for lack of a better word, this might be for ... the good? For whatever you have in mind, the question was basically whether you see the users as the owners. I thought it is a misleading question because it is riffing on a legal notion of property and possession, without clearly characterising that property, leaving open any illegal aspect to be pointed out if that was your moral basis of the argument. And indeed, one could attempt a hyperbolic retort in which it should be definitely illegal, say, to change a running system. Or how is leninist marxism for a debatable mindset. Understandably you have rejected that debate. Of course the users are an integral part of the platform, and it's a consequential facet of the culture that some are already feeling sold-out. Eventually it's kind of subjective, when everyone values the entity differently.
  - mkr-hn 5y ago
    I can't tell whether there's some point directed at the comment you replied to or if this is some stream of consciousness thing.
- johnnyanmac 5y ago
  >If Bandcamp saw people who bought music on Bandcamp as consumers, then Bandcamp didn't understand the people who used it If they DIDNT see people who bought music as consumers, they'd be shut down instead of acquired. It's still a business, not a charity case. It costs money to host music and pay the payment processors for the ability to let people use credit cards. People who want some truly decentralized form of music hosting/publishing would be better off going back to the limewire dys than expecting a steady, supported website provide all the expected niceties.

mkr-hn 5y ago

If Bandcamp saw people who bought music on Bandcamp as consumers, then Bandcamp didn't understand the people who used it, and this might be for the best.

posterboy 5y ago
Conversely, if Sweeney saw users as participants, for lack of a better word, this might be for ... the good? For whatever you have in mind, the question was basically whether you see the users as the owners. I thought it is a misleading question because it is riffing on a legal notion of property and possession, without clearly characterising that property, leaving open any illegal aspect to be pointed out if that was your moral basis of the argument. And indeed, one could attempt a hyperbolic retort in which it should be definitely illegal, say, to change a running system. Or how is leninist marxism for a debatable mindset. Understandably you have rejected that debate. Of course the users are an integral part of the platform, and it's a consequential facet of the culture that some are already feeling sold-out. Eventually it's kind of subjective, when everyone values the entity differently.
- mkr-hn 5y ago
  I can't tell whether there's some point directed at the comment you replied to or if this is some stream of consciousness thing.
johnnyanmac 5y ago
>If Bandcamp saw people who bought music on Bandcamp as consumers, then Bandcamp didn't understand the people who used it If they DIDNT see people who bought music as consumers, they'd be shut down instead of acquired. It's still a business, not a charity case. It costs money to host music and pay the payment processors for the ability to let people use credit cards. People who want some truly decentralized form of music hosting/publishing would be better off going back to the limewire dys than expecting a steady, supported website provide all the expected niceties.