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i really dont understand this economic suicide while burning a country

by jdrc 5y ago

liuliu 5y ago
There are a lot of noises. But probably not really felt in Russia for every day lives. At least for food and staple goods, the prices are not changed from what I can gather. Given time though, not sure. Especially China / India.
danans 5y ago
Arguably, a large motivation for this war isn't about economics. The Russian government seems to have determined that the economic pain and pariah status is worth it if autocracy makes gains against democracy, the Western alliance is destabilized (that may have backfired), and the Soviet sphere of influence is restored. However deplorable, the invasion has historical motivations.
- jdrc 5y ago
  what does historical motivations mean? nationalist maybe, although ultimately even that aims at economic growth.
  - danans 5y ago
    > what does historical motivations mean? Being known and remembered as the person/people who changed the course of history or shifted the global narrative in one way or another. That's a pretty powerful motivation, that drives a lot of people who have tremendous power, not just the Russian president.
    - jdrc 5y ago
      Interesting. Though, after the 20th century i m not sure which person/people would believe there is anything left to try. the USSR had a teleology, communism. Putin's russia dream is a vengeful restoration of nationalist glory. the russian society is poor though, dispersed in a huge country, not motivated, not a "fascio", not very united, it s hard to imagine them rallying behind putin to conquer the world like hitler did. He does command a very very large army, but disconnected from people.
      - danans 5y ago
        > Though, after the 20th century i m not sure which person/people would believe there is anything left to try. The same things can be tried again. There's no rule against historical motivations repeating themselves. Imperialism and colonialism have re-emerged many times under different names and implementation details. I agree that ordinary Russians may not back his motivation, but ordinary Russians like you said are relatively poorer than their neighbors to the west, and whatever standard of living they have is provided in good part by the Russian oil and gas industry (10% of GDP and 50% of exports [1]), which is controlled by the Russian government. So while they may not have much a stake in their President's ambitions, they don't have many alternatives either. 1. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Gas-Share-Of-Russias-GDP-Dropped-To-15-In-2020.html https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Gas-S...

i really dont understand this economic suicide while burning a country

by jdrc 5y ago

i really dont understand this economic suicide while burning a country

There are a lot of noises. But probably not really felt in Russia for every day lives. At least for food and staple goods, the prices are not changed from what I can gather. Given time though, not sure. Especially China / India.

danans 5y ago

Arguably, a large motivation for this war isn't about economics. The Russian government seems to have determined that the economic pain and pariah status is worth it if autocracy makes gains against democracy, the Western alliance is destabilized (that may have backfired), and the Soviet sphere of influence is restored. However deplorable, the invasion has historical motivations.

jdrc 5y ago
what does historical motivations mean? nationalist maybe, although ultimately even that aims at economic growth.
- danans 5y ago
  > what does historical motivations mean? Being known and remembered as the person/people who changed the course of history or shifted the global narrative in one way or another. That's a pretty powerful motivation, that drives a lot of people who have tremendous power, not just the Russian president.
  - jdrc 5y ago
    Interesting. Though, after the 20th century i m not sure which person/people would believe there is anything left to try. the USSR had a teleology, communism. Putin's russia dream is a vengeful restoration of nationalist glory. the russian society is poor though, dispersed in a huge country, not motivated, not a "fascio", not very united, it s hard to imagine them rallying behind putin to conquer the world like hitler did. He does command a very very large army, but disconnected from people.
    - danans 5y ago
      > Though, after the 20th century i m not sure which person/people would believe there is anything left to try. The same things can be tried again. There's no rule against historical motivations repeating themselves. Imperialism and colonialism have re-emerged many times under different names and implementation details. I agree that ordinary Russians may not back his motivation, but ordinary Russians like you said are relatively poorer than their neighbors to the west, and whatever standard of living they have is provided in good part by the Russian oil and gas industry (10% of GDP and 50% of exports [1]), which is controlled by the Russian government. So while they may not have much a stake in their President's ambitions, they don't have many alternatives either. 1. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Gas-Share-Of-Russias-GDP-Dropped-To-15-In-2020.html https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Gas-S...