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But there is already war. What else needs to be justified? And yes, as the other person has said, Rogozin has a big mouth. Russia does propaganda trying to scar

But there is already war. What else needs to be justified? And yes, as the other person has said, Rogozin has a big mouth. Russia does propaganda trying to scare everyone into silence, that is what this is about.

topspin 5y ago
That's what Putin's nuclear saber rattling has been about; right now he has an epic column of armor stacked up on roads North of Kyiv. He knows that if the West were to intervene with Reapers and/or Tomahawks right now that column would be smashed, so he is making nuclear threats to keep that from happening.
- 323 5y ago
  It's not that simple. If the Tomahawks are launched from a US ship, then Russia could fire it's own missiles at the ship.
  - topspin 5y ago
    "could fire it's own missiles at the ship" 1500 mile range allows them to reach Kyiv from off the coast of Europe or the Western end of the Mediterranean Sea. Putin would have to attack US ships in the Atlantic ocean to counter those. AGM-86 ALCMs could be launched from B-52s at similar ranges.
    - 323 5y ago
      Russia has subs, ships and bombers too, they don't need to launch from land. AGM-86 ALCM is with a nuclear warhead. Russia has nuclear ICBMs with 11000 miles range
      - topspin 5y ago
        AGM-86 CALCM have been used with conventional munitions in the Middle East. Operating from Germany, for instance, the attack could be performed without crossing non-NATO airspace, prior to Ukraine.
      - tomatotomato37 5y ago
        ICBMs can't be used against mobile targets like ships. High balletic arcs and travel times measured in the tens of minutes means anything that can move will easily do so. And judging by Russia's current military louadout, every warhead fancy enough to actually manuever to compensate either only exists on paper or partially disassembled in a Moscow lab
      - ASalazarMX 5y ago
        People forget that bombing Russia is very different from bombing the Middle East, they have the means to bomb back.
  - rob74 5y ago
    Or at the US...
  - deleted 5y ago
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baybal2 5y ago
Reciting the Russian proverb — "if the enemy is mad at us, then we are doing everything right"
vikarti 5y ago
Current war is between Russia and Ukraine. NOT between Russia and other countries. Let's supposed somebody starts hacking Russian satellites. Kremlin says it's highly likely was done by Europe/USA (even if it's Ukraine) and respond in kind. By hacking theirs. What if it doesn't stop at mutual hacking? both USA and Russia armed forces have ASAT weapons. What next?
- threatofrain 5y ago
  Even during peacetime, ought we not believe that massive mutual hacking already occurs? I see conflict as a gradient rather than as some discrete state where we check off boxes and say "Yes, we are now officially at war."
- immibis 5y ago
  If they were smart, they would hack their own satellites and then claim Europe/USA did it
  - Fatnino 5y ago
    On better yet, not hack their own satellites and claim Europe/USA did.
- toss1 5y ago
  Nonsense Russia has been attacking most western countries since at least 2014, using active measures and numerous murders on foreign soil. Rus has also actively permitted ransomware gangs to work in their country as long as they attack only the west, and the result has already shut down at least hospitals and petrol supplies for the US for over a week; maybe not 'official' RUS govt hackers, but still condoned. I could go on... This entirely unjustified assault on UKR, replete with blatnat war crimes, is merely a new escalation that finally got everyone's attention. >>What if it doesn't stop at mutual hacking? both USA and Russia armed forces have ASAT weapons. What next? Yes, this is the picture - escalation, until the escalation stops. But unilateral disarmament because one is afraid of consequences is not a viable path. The only way to fight dictators, despots, and authoritarians is to fight them. They do not stop by themselves, they only stop when others force them to stop. This is a very unpleasant task, but it must be done.

topspin 5y ago

That's what Putin's nuclear saber rattling has been about; right now he has an epic column of armor stacked up on roads North of Kyiv. He knows that if the West were to intervene with Reapers and/or Tomahawks right now that column would be smashed, so he is making nuclear threats to keep that from happening.

323 5y ago
It's not that simple. If the Tomahawks are launched from a US ship, then Russia could fire it's own missiles at the ship.
- topspin 5y ago
  "could fire it's own missiles at the ship" 1500 mile range allows them to reach Kyiv from off the coast of Europe or the Western end of the Mediterranean Sea. Putin would have to attack US ships in the Atlantic ocean to counter those. AGM-86 ALCMs could be launched from B-52s at similar ranges.
  - 323 5y ago
    Russia has subs, ships and bombers too, they don't need to launch from land. AGM-86 ALCM is with a nuclear warhead. Russia has nuclear ICBMs with 11000 miles range
    - topspin 5y ago
      AGM-86 CALCM have been used with conventional munitions in the Middle East. Operating from Germany, for instance, the attack could be performed without crossing non-NATO airspace, prior to Ukraine.
    - tomatotomato37 5y ago
      ICBMs can't be used against mobile targets like ships. High balletic arcs and travel times measured in the tens of minutes means anything that can move will easily do so. And judging by Russia's current military louadout, every warhead fancy enough to actually manuever to compensate either only exists on paper or partially disassembled in a Moscow lab
    - ASalazarMX 5y ago
      People forget that bombing Russia is very different from bombing the Middle East, they have the means to bomb back.
- rob74 5y ago
  Or at the US...
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

baybal2 5y ago

Reciting the Russian proverb — "if the enemy is mad at us, then we are doing everything right"

vikarti 5y ago

Current war is between Russia and Ukraine. NOT between Russia and other countries. Let's supposed somebody starts hacking Russian satellites. Kremlin says it's highly likely was done by Europe/USA (even if it's Ukraine) and respond in kind. By hacking theirs. What if it doesn't stop at mutual hacking? both USA and Russia armed forces have ASAT weapons. What next?

threatofrain 5y ago
Even during peacetime, ought we not believe that massive mutual hacking already occurs? I see conflict as a gradient rather than as some discrete state where we check off boxes and say "Yes, we are now officially at war."
immibis 5y ago
If they were smart, they would hack their own satellites and then claim Europe/USA did it
- Fatnino 5y ago
  On better yet, not hack their own satellites and claim Europe/USA did.
toss1 5y ago
Nonsense Russia has been attacking most western countries since at least 2014, using active measures and numerous murders on foreign soil. Rus has also actively permitted ransomware gangs to work in their country as long as they attack only the west, and the result has already shut down at least hospitals and petrol supplies for the US for over a week; maybe not 'official' RUS govt hackers, but still condoned. I could go on... This entirely unjustified assault on UKR, replete with blatnat war crimes, is merely a new escalation that finally got everyone's attention. >>What if it doesn't stop at mutual hacking? both USA and Russia armed forces have ASAT weapons. What next? Yes, this is the picture - escalation, until the escalation stops. But unilateral disarmament because one is afraid of consequences is not a viable path. The only way to fight dictators, despots, and authoritarians is to fight them. They do not stop by themselves, they only stop when others force them to stop. This is a very unpleasant task, but it must be done.