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Can you refer me to the 23andme algorithm that determines race with 99.9999% parity with self-reported race? Where do they report this outcome? I'm unable to

Can you refer me to the 23andme algorithm that determines race with 99.9999% parity with self-reported race? Where do they report this outcome? I'm unable to determine the algorithm or find this claim by 23andme just from the reference to '23andme algorithm.' I've been totally unable to find such claims made by 23andme, suggesting they predict 'race' with any certainty to self-reported 'race.' I know what meiosis is, that isn't in dispute here. >College admissions departments already check to see if applicants are lying about race, e.g. by looking up their social media. Isn't that just checking for consistency? Say I change my mind about what race I am due to it being typically poorly defined. Many children have changing views about race over time, so it seems quite absurd to expect a literal child applying for college applications to fully understand and stay consistent about a topic that is constantly evolving and often nebulous. What you know at age 13 when opening your first facebook may not match your understanding of yourself at 17 when applying for college. And it's not clear to me what objective definition we are using of 'races' to make sure every applicant is following the same standard for determining when the applicant is lying and when they are not.

SamReidHughes 5y ago
Like, people's self-identified race is virtually always consistent with their ancestry, except when they're mistaken, unhinged, or taking advantage of lower standards for non-whites. 23andme's proprietary algorithm might be bad at predicting whether Elizabeth Warren calls herself native american or white, even if it it caught that 1/2^n wisp of DNA, but her self-identification is made on the basis of ancestry. > Say I change my mind about what race I am due to it being typically poorly defined. But it isn't poorly defined. Your race is the combination of your parents'. You're trying to use some college definition of race, and I don't know what sort of indoctrination made you that way, but that's not what people actually mean by race. Like, middle easterners who are Republican might call themselves white, while politically involved Democrats might call themselves "people of color". I know two siblings who probably split down this divide. But even if they do, they're actually the same race, because they have the same parents.
- notch656a 5y ago
  OK, so define to me then the algorithm by which I can identify each race, if it is not poorly defined as you claim. What are the 'races' and precisely how can I categorize each person in them in a well defined way. >But it isn't poorly defined. Your race is the combination of your parents'. This is circular reasoning. My race is a combination of my parents' <race>. So my race is my parents' combined race? The fact that you resort to this fallacy makes a great case that race ISN'T well defined. Using your own (recursive) definition (which eventually recurses all the way up to the first reproducing organism from which we came), if humans all have a common ancestor (such as some single-cellular organism), then we're all the race of whatever that common parent is. Following our 'parents' all the way up, we should finally come to the first organism(s) to exist. We'd all be the same 'race'. >You're trying to use some college definition of race, and I don't know what sort of indoctrination made you that way, but that's not what people actually mean by race. I'm trying to understand how I can determine what race someone is. You mention 'middle easterner.' How can I determine with 99.9999% accuracy who is a 'middle easterner.' Your comment about 'college' 'indoctrination' is purely ad hominem fallacy, specious anti-academic attack designed to negatively portray something perceived as an educated opinion. This is coming completely out of left field and seems to be a lashing out for some sort of internal axe you have to grind. >Like, middle easterners who are Republican might call themselves white, while politically involved Democrats might call themselves "people of color". I know two siblings who probably split down this divide. But even if they do, they're actually the same race, because they have the same parents. This comment seems to work against the notion that self-reported race is 99.9999% predictable by DNA.
  - SamReidHughes 5y ago
    They would be correctly identified as their middle eastern ethnicities that they think themselves to be. > OK, so define to me then the algorithm Lol, like I'm going to waste my time doing that. Trace back ancestry until the family trees circle in on themselves. Identify and pick out the clusters and subclusters as finely as you think appropriate. > Your comment about 'college' 'indoctrination' is purely ad hominem fallacy, Are you not regurgitating something you learned in college? Then where are you regurgitating it from? It's fair to say you're regurgitating indoctrination because virtually everybody else, unlike you, knows their racial background in an objective sense.

SamReidHughes 5y ago

Like, people's self-identified race is virtually always consistent with their ancestry, except when they're mistaken, unhinged, or taking advantage of lower standards for non-whites. 23andme's proprietary algorithm might be bad at predicting whether Elizabeth Warren calls herself native american or white, even if it it caught that 1/2^n wisp of DNA, but her self-identification is made on the basis of ancestry. > Say I change my mind about what race I am due to it being typically poorly defined. But it isn't poorly defined. Your race is the combination of your parents'. You're trying to use some college definition of race, and I don't know what sort of indoctrination made you that way, but that's not what people actually mean by race. Like, middle easterners who are Republican might call themselves white, while politically involved Democrats might call themselves "people of color". I know two siblings who probably split down this divide. But even if they do, they're actually the same race, because they have the same parents.

notch656a 5y ago
OK, so define to me then the algorithm by which I can identify each race, if it is not poorly defined as you claim. What are the 'races' and precisely how can I categorize each person in them in a well defined way. >But it isn't poorly defined. Your race is the combination of your parents'. This is circular reasoning. My race is a combination of my parents' <race>. So my race is my parents' combined race? The fact that you resort to this fallacy makes a great case that race ISN'T well defined. Using your own (recursive) definition (which eventually recurses all the way up to the first reproducing organism from which we came), if humans all have a common ancestor (such as some single-cellular organism), then we're all the race of whatever that common parent is. Following our 'parents' all the way up, we should finally come to the first organism(s) to exist. We'd all be the same 'race'. >You're trying to use some college definition of race, and I don't know what sort of indoctrination made you that way, but that's not what people actually mean by race. I'm trying to understand how I can determine what race someone is. You mention 'middle easterner.' How can I determine with 99.9999% accuracy who is a 'middle easterner.' Your comment about 'college' 'indoctrination' is purely ad hominem fallacy, specious anti-academic attack designed to negatively portray something perceived as an educated opinion. This is coming completely out of left field and seems to be a lashing out for some sort of internal axe you have to grind. >Like, middle easterners who are Republican might call themselves white, while politically involved Democrats might call themselves "people of color". I know two siblings who probably split down this divide. But even if they do, they're actually the same race, because they have the same parents. This comment seems to work against the notion that self-reported race is 99.9999% predictable by DNA.
- SamReidHughes 5y ago
  They would be correctly identified as their middle eastern ethnicities that they think themselves to be. > OK, so define to me then the algorithm Lol, like I'm going to waste my time doing that. Trace back ancestry until the family trees circle in on themselves. Identify and pick out the clusters and subclusters as finely as you think appropriate. > Your comment about 'college' 'indoctrination' is purely ad hominem fallacy, Are you not regurgitating something you learned in college? Then where are you regurgitating it from? It's fair to say you're regurgitating indoctrination because virtually everybody else, unlike you, knows their racial background in an objective sense.