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I myself rang the bell as well, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30453790 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30453790 This is what happens when politicia

I myself rang the bell as well, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30453790 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30453790 This is what happens when politicians go straight deny military professionals eminence over military strategy just to make a point.

ericmay 5y ago
Same. I wish I had thought to short Russian index funds or just buy put options or something. I bet a friend a 6-pack it would happen within two weeks which ended on February 4th because Russia needed to move as fast as possible if they were going to go for it. Every day they waited was a day for Ukraine to organize and another shipment of missiles and supplies to land.
kaesar14 5y ago
Apply that argument to Iraq in 2003 then, the military really got that one right. It’s a black stain so large it’s amazing you think anyone will ever trust the military-industrial complex again.
- seanw444 5y ago
  The media will cook up a story so outrageous and angering, nobody will notice the MIC brewing underneath. I doubt many people learned from the middle-east.
  - SantalBlush 5y ago
    >nobody will notice the MIC brewing underneath. Many people saw through the phony pretenses for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. I'm not sure why so much of HN pretends otherwise. I guess they believe that if they were duped, and they're super smart, then surely everyone else must have been duped as well. This couldn't be further from the truth. There were many people calling these wars BS from the start.
    - seanw444 5y ago
      You're right. Many did. Far from even a meaningful minority, though.
      - selectodude 5y ago
        The Iraq war protests were some of the largest in human history. The only takeaway really should be that the US Government can basically do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want to.
      - SantalBlush 5y ago
        >Far from even a meaningful minority, though. Again, this isn't true. You just made it up.
        seanw444 5y ago
        600 cities and millions of people come together to say "no" to the U.S. invading the middle-east. Bush then shed a tear, as he immediately pulled back our forces, realizing what a terrible mistake he'd made. Of course, that didn't happen. The war continued for almost 20 more years. 10 million people still isn't a meaningful-enough protest size to kill the military-industrial complex. The funny thing that's even more to my point: it wasn't the U.S. that held the largest of the protests. The average U.S. citizen does not know, or does not care.
        SantalBlush 5y ago
        You continue to get called out, then shift the goalposts. We weren't discussing whether or not protesters were able to kill the military industrial complex, because we all know that didn't happen. That doesn't prove your point.
        seanw444 5y ago
        They're related points, but alright.

ericmay 5y ago

Same. I wish I had thought to short Russian index funds or just buy put options or something. I bet a friend a 6-pack it would happen within two weeks which ended on February 4th because Russia needed to move as fast as possible if they were going to go for it. Every day they waited was a day for Ukraine to organize and another shipment of missiles and supplies to land.

kaesar14 5y ago

Apply that argument to Iraq in 2003 then, the military really got that one right. It’s a black stain so large it’s amazing you think anyone will ever trust the military-industrial complex again.

seanw444 5y ago
The media will cook up a story so outrageous and angering, nobody will notice the MIC brewing underneath. I doubt many people learned from the middle-east.
- SantalBlush 5y ago
  >nobody will notice the MIC brewing underneath. Many people saw through the phony pretenses for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. I'm not sure why so much of HN pretends otherwise. I guess they believe that if they were duped, and they're super smart, then surely everyone else must have been duped as well. This couldn't be further from the truth. There were many people calling these wars BS from the start.
  - seanw444 5y ago
    You're right. Many did. Far from even a meaningful minority, though.
    - selectodude 5y ago
      The Iraq war protests were some of the largest in human history. The only takeaway really should be that the US Government can basically do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want to.
    - SantalBlush 5y ago
      >Far from even a meaningful minority, though. Again, this isn't true. You just made it up.
      - seanw444 5y ago
        600 cities and millions of people come together to say "no" to the U.S. invading the middle-east. Bush then shed a tear, as he immediately pulled back our forces, realizing what a terrible mistake he'd made. Of course, that didn't happen. The war continued for almost 20 more years. 10 million people still isn't a meaningful-enough protest size to kill the military-industrial complex. The funny thing that's even more to my point: it wasn't the U.S. that held the largest of the protests. The average U.S. citizen does not know, or does not care.
        SantalBlush 5y ago
        You continue to get called out, then shift the goalposts. We weren't discussing whether or not protesters were able to kill the military industrial complex, because we all know that didn't happen. That doesn't prove your point.
        seanw444 5y ago
        They're related points, but alright.