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You make it seem like the US no longer has an issue when there's an entire class of people who are not being educated, has high crime, and ending in mass incarc

You make it seem like the US no longer has an issue when there's an entire class of people who are not being educated, has high crime, and ending in mass incarceration. I can accept that some people have an issue with current liberal ideas because they think they don't work. If so, what is going to work? Or is the current state inevitable in order to have the high-functioning economy that the US has? Certainly more Harvard grads isn't the solution. But finding a path to even good high school educations and any college has been elusive to say the least.

someguydave 5y ago
Plenty of people-groups have endured horrible abuses and have not turned into a criminal underclass. Therefore, other groups are not responsible for any particular group’s criminality. As to what might work I would consider medicine or genetic augmentation maybe?
- quantum_solanum 5y ago
  > As to what might work I would consider medicine or genetic augmentation maybe? you're a fucking nazi freak, foh with this Mengele shit
  - someguydave 5y ago
    If there was an injection that made you less criminal, are you saying it should not be mandated? I fully agree.
    - shard 5y ago
      Higher testosterone has been linked to more violent crimes. Would you propose that high testosterone individuals be mandated to receive shots to reduce testosterone?
      - someguydave 5y ago
        probably not but there might be a therapy with similar effects and fewer side effects
      - mbg721 5y ago
        Nah, we can all just eat a ton of processed food, and we're good.
scarmig 5y ago
> there's an entire class of people who are not being educated, has high crime, and ending in mass incarceration. Men?
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  Definitely especially men, specifically poor men in urban and rural places. Obviously the relevant issues are not going to all be solved at Harvard. But the people at Harvard are more likely to be the ones tasked with solving it.
  - kbelder 5y ago
    >The people at Harvard are more likely to be the ones tasked with solving it. That doesn't fill me with confidence.
zozbot234 5y ago
Criminal justice reform has always been an interest of enlightened conservatives and libertarians, not liberals. We all know that Biden talked about "super predators" and pushed tough-on-crime policies which are clearly failing today. The BLM protests have really forced the policymakers' hand, but these protests came from the grassroots not from the liberal elite.
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  I perhaps should have said progressives and you are correct, although I am under the impression that the tough on crime legislation was broadly popular among conservatives and liberals, and not so much enlightened conservatives, libertarians, or progressives. But the latter groups have always been a minority.
rayiner 5y ago
> You make it seem like the US no longer has an issue when there's an entire class of people who are not being educated, has high crime, and ending in mass incarceration. It’s the fault of liberalism. It’s also the fault of conservatives pushing disadvantaged minorities into the arms of liberals (often against their own cultural inclinations) but the root cause is liberalism. History of course plays a role, but liberalism is what perpetuates the problem generation after generation. A stark realization I had after having my own kids is that my democrat-voting immigrant parents were deeply conservative, from child discipline to staying in an unhappy marriage to avoid any disruption to their kids staying “on track.” The biggest advantage immigrants have is that even when they’re democrats they’re not raised with liberal American attitudes.
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  That's kind of what happens when you teach a group of people that hard work and honesty results in impoverished second class citizenship, generation after generation, until there are few successful role models in a community much less parents who can pass those values on to their kids.

someguydave 5y ago

Plenty of people-groups have endured horrible abuses and have not turned into a criminal underclass. Therefore, other groups are not responsible for any particular group’s criminality. As to what might work I would consider medicine or genetic augmentation maybe?

quantum_solanum 5y ago
> As to what might work I would consider medicine or genetic augmentation maybe? you're a fucking nazi freak, foh with this Mengele shit
- someguydave 5y ago
  If there was an injection that made you less criminal, are you saying it should not be mandated? I fully agree.
  - shard 5y ago
    Higher testosterone has been linked to more violent crimes. Would you propose that high testosterone individuals be mandated to receive shots to reduce testosterone?
    - someguydave 5y ago
      probably not but there might be a therapy with similar effects and fewer side effects
    - mbg721 5y ago
      Nah, we can all just eat a ton of processed food, and we're good.

scarmig 5y ago

> there's an entire class of people who are not being educated, has high crime, and ending in mass incarceration. Men?

SyzygistSix 5y ago
Definitely especially men, specifically poor men in urban and rural places. Obviously the relevant issues are not going to all be solved at Harvard. But the people at Harvard are more likely to be the ones tasked with solving it.
- kbelder 5y ago
  >The people at Harvard are more likely to be the ones tasked with solving it. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

zozbot234 5y ago

Criminal justice reform has always been an interest of enlightened conservatives and libertarians, not liberals. We all know that Biden talked about "super predators" and pushed tough-on-crime policies which are clearly failing today. The BLM protests have really forced the policymakers' hand, but these protests came from the grassroots not from the liberal elite.

SyzygistSix 5y ago
I perhaps should have said progressives and you are correct, although I am under the impression that the tough on crime legislation was broadly popular among conservatives and liberals, and not so much enlightened conservatives, libertarians, or progressives. But the latter groups have always been a minority.

rayiner 5y ago

> You make it seem like the US no longer has an issue when there's an entire class of people who are not being educated, has high crime, and ending in mass incarceration. It’s the fault of liberalism. It’s also the fault of conservatives pushing disadvantaged minorities into the arms of liberals (often against their own cultural inclinations) but the root cause is liberalism. History of course plays a role, but liberalism is what perpetuates the problem generation after generation. A stark realization I had after having my own kids is that my democrat-voting immigrant parents were deeply conservative, from child discipline to staying in an unhappy marriage to avoid any disruption to their kids staying “on track.” The biggest advantage immigrants have is that even when they’re democrats they’re not raised with liberal American attitudes.

SyzygistSix 5y ago
That's kind of what happens when you teach a group of people that hard work and honesty results in impoverished second class citizenship, generation after generation, until there are few successful role models in a community much less parents who can pass those values on to their kids.