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It's all fun and games until Putin totally rages and dials it up to 11 without even a "no fly zone" being offered by the rest of the world. They have almost the

by ck2 5y ago

It's all fun and games until Putin totally rages and dials it up to 11 without even a "no fly zone" being offered by the rest of the world. They have almost the military power of the US and look at the total decimation we did to Iraq. I mean they are already bombing civilian areas so thousands are dying, just not being reported to keep moral up. Putin will threaten maybe nukes in response but there has to be a no-fly zone over Ukraine or they are going to be destroyed by end of March. Putin doesn't have to occupy Ukraine, he just has to destroy it, that's way easier. It will take at least a decade to rebuild if not multiple.

drran 5y ago
> I mean they are already bombing civilian areas so thousands are dying, just not being reported to keep moral up. All dead Ukrainians are accounted and reported immediately, as time allows. We are doing that for last 8 years, day by day. We are outnumbered by Russians, so nobody interested in how many Russians died today, but every single dead Ukrainian soldier or civilian is a tragedy for us. Furthermore, we don't need to keep the moral up. I was second officer at my recruit center at day 1 of war. I was promised that I will be sent to front line on next day, but on next day some soldiers are returned back, because all military units are full to top. We need more weapons, armor, planes. We have plenty of man, who want to kill Russians, because after 8 years of war we all lost somebody we know.
throwA29B 5y ago
>It's all fun and games This. The war is treated as some kind of theatrical performance, with gags, magical heroes killing Russians by the thousands a day and God knows what else. It's crazy.
koonsolo 5y ago
> They have almost the military power of the US I thought so too, until I heard their economy is as big as the Benelux. Then I though, how can they be a "world power"? I looked at military spending: US: 778 bn China: 252 bn India: 72.9 bn Russia: 61.7 UK: 59.2 So in other words, they spend about the same as UK, and 12x less than US alone. They are still riding the old Soviet days. We believe their military is a world power, they (probably) believe their military is a world power. Until you look at the actual numbers. Their tanks are Soviet, their planes and helis are Soviet, their walkie-talkies are customer products. Their entire nuclear arsenal is inherited from the Soviets. It's all old, and they don't have the budget for a modern big army. That might als explain why they are struggling so much in Ukraine.
- pjc50 5y ago
  > their walkie-talkies are customer products. Entertainingly, in 2019 a general went to jail because the supposed "made in Russia" radios were Chinese cheap consumer Baofeng radios which had had the labels swapped. https://warsawinstitute.org/deputy-chief-russias-general-staff-arrested-fsb-hits-military/ https://warsawinstitute.org/deputy-chief-russias-general-sta...
  - smilespray 5y ago
    So I have "Russian" military-grade communications equipment in my drawer? Huh.

by ck2 5y ago

drran 5y ago

> I mean they are already bombing civilian areas so thousands are dying, just not being reported to keep moral up. All dead Ukrainians are accounted and reported immediately, as time allows. We are doing that for last 8 years, day by day. We are outnumbered by Russians, so nobody interested in how many Russians died today, but every single dead Ukrainian soldier or civilian is a tragedy for us. Furthermore, we don't need to keep the moral up. I was second officer at my recruit center at day 1 of war. I was promised that I will be sent to front line on next day, but on next day some soldiers are returned back, because all military units are full to top. We need more weapons, armor, planes. We have plenty of man, who want to kill Russians, because after 8 years of war we all lost somebody we know.

throwA29B 5y ago

>It's all fun and games This. The war is treated as some kind of theatrical performance, with gags, magical heroes killing Russians by the thousands a day and God knows what else. It's crazy.

koonsolo 5y ago

> They have almost the military power of the US I thought so too, until I heard their economy is as big as the Benelux. Then I though, how can they be a "world power"? I looked at military spending: US: 778 bn China: 252 bn India: 72.9 bn Russia: 61.7 UK: 59.2 So in other words, they spend about the same as UK, and 12x less than US alone. They are still riding the old Soviet days. We believe their military is a world power, they (probably) believe their military is a world power. Until you look at the actual numbers. Their tanks are Soviet, their planes and helis are Soviet, their walkie-talkies are customer products. Their entire nuclear arsenal is inherited from the Soviets. It's all old, and they don't have the budget for a modern big army. That might als explain why they are struggling so much in Ukraine.

pjc50 5y ago
> their walkie-talkies are customer products. Entertainingly, in 2019 a general went to jail because the supposed "made in Russia" radios were Chinese cheap consumer Baofeng radios which had had the labels swapped. https://warsawinstitute.org/deputy-chief-russias-general-staff-arrested-fsb-hits-military/ https://warsawinstitute.org/deputy-chief-russias-general-sta...
- smilespray 5y ago
  So I have "Russian" military-grade communications equipment in my drawer? Huh.