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If anyone wonders why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxRJIwXj3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxRJIwXj3s Gypsy snatched the tank, https://www.youtube.com

by thro1 5y ago

If anyone wonders why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxRJIwXj3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxRJIwXj3s Gypsy snatched the tank, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX2EYOWBmBY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX2EYOWBmBY Ukrainian farmer stole a russian tank.

thro1 5y ago
Better source: https://twitter.com/kemal_115/status/1498332007650275339 https://twitter.com/kemal_115/status/1498332007650275339
brabel 5y ago
Funny, but you know those are fake, right?
- the_duke 5y ago
  There are countless images and videos on Telegram/Twitter of abandoned and captured Russian vehicles, including many not used by Ukrainian forces. Some of them are surely staged for Psyops, but by sheer volume plenty of them must be authentic.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - thinkingemote 5y ago
    One can examine each image and see if the object displayed in it is unique. I saw one news report which had multiple photos of the same object but taken from different angles and it must be said, from different people. Authentic very much so, however the number of images needs to be normalised with the number of objects.
    - the_duke 5y ago
      There is a whole "OSINT" (open source intelligence) community doing just that and publishing counts. They also try to geolocate the images via terrain and buildings using maps, satellite images, etc to disambiguate. Pretty odd way to pass the time ... but they seem to be confident in substantial Russian losses.
      - brabel 5y ago
        I am pretty sure Russian losses are very large, no one should doubt that, after all, they entered another country and are taking on their full military power headfirst... however, we cannot expect the Russians will simply go back home on the face of any resistance: we should expect them to fight harder and harder until they get their way, or finally give up, but at a very high cost... I mean, I admire Ukrainians putting up a resistance to a much larger enemy like they're doing, but in my view, if Ukrainians fight til' the end, this will only end with one of two scenarios: * Russians leave humiliated and broken. * Ukrainians finally capitulate. In the first case, Russians are likely to first destroy everything in their path before leaving, because they will want to show they did not go home without inflicting more pain than they suffered. In the second, the outcome is actually similar, but Russians don't leave for a while at least (Putin seems to intend to install a puppet government, then leave). In both cases, there's almost nothing left standing in the whole of Ukraine. Unless they stop the fighting and negotiate, this seems to be the inevitable outcome.
fuoqi 5y ago
Firstly, there are zero tanks on the videos. Secondly, "snatched" is a very bold claim. There is a sizable number of videos of discarded Russian vehicles, but if you watch closely there is no blood and zero dead bodies. It looks like the Russian army simply discards vehicles with technical issues to keep forces mobile (this is why you see the vehicles towed, not moving by themselves). And lastly, in the second half of the second video the towed anti-air system is used mostly by the Ukrainian army (the Russian army uses more modern systems), so it looks like the Ukrainian army simply transports an immobile vehicle using an expropriated civilian tractor. Truth is the first casualty in war, indeed.
- rightbyte 5y ago
  I was a conscript in a MT-LB. The batalion lost like one per every other day to malfunction when driving alot. So I agree it is probably what is happening.
- largbae 5y ago
  You seem to have a different angle than most here. I'm not sure I can join you in rationalizing an invading army but I believe in your right to say what you want, and value hearing from all sides. Can you share any sources or background on your point of view?
  - fuoqi 5y ago
    How do I rationalize it? I simply stated easy observations, which are not obvious to those who mostly form opinion based on the extremely active propaganda. While I have zero sympathy for the post-2014 Ukrainian regime (it's really far from being a cute little democracy as portrayed by the Western media) and I am fed up with the Western hypocrisy (simply compare the number of invaded countries and how those invasions were performed), based on information I have, I think that Putin has made a huge mistake and miscalculation based on a wrong understanding of situation inside Ukraine, which has evolved significantly in 8 years (not without a bunch of PsyOps help from the West). Currently I mostly form my opinion based on a number of Telegram channels (I will keep them to myself) and I do not watch ANY TV channels be they in Russian, Ukrainian, English, or other languages. I prefer mostly objective channels which simply repost videos and reports from those on the ground. Also after I see several blatant fakes on a channel or wild speculations, I quickly unfollow it.

by thro1 5y ago

thro1 5y ago

Better source: https://twitter.com/kemal_115/status/1498332007650275339 https://twitter.com/kemal_115/status/1498332007650275339

brabel 5y ago

Funny, but you know those are fake, right?

the_duke 5y ago
There are countless images and videos on Telegram/Twitter of abandoned and captured Russian vehicles, including many not used by Ukrainian forces. Some of them are surely staged for Psyops, but by sheer volume plenty of them must be authentic.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- thinkingemote 5y ago
  One can examine each image and see if the object displayed in it is unique. I saw one news report which had multiple photos of the same object but taken from different angles and it must be said, from different people. Authentic very much so, however the number of images needs to be normalised with the number of objects.
  - the_duke 5y ago
    There is a whole "OSINT" (open source intelligence) community doing just that and publishing counts. They also try to geolocate the images via terrain and buildings using maps, satellite images, etc to disambiguate. Pretty odd way to pass the time ... but they seem to be confident in substantial Russian losses.
    - brabel 5y ago
      I am pretty sure Russian losses are very large, no one should doubt that, after all, they entered another country and are taking on their full military power headfirst... however, we cannot expect the Russians will simply go back home on the face of any resistance: we should expect them to fight harder and harder until they get their way, or finally give up, but at a very high cost... I mean, I admire Ukrainians putting up a resistance to a much larger enemy like they're doing, but in my view, if Ukrainians fight til' the end, this will only end with one of two scenarios: * Russians leave humiliated and broken. * Ukrainians finally capitulate. In the first case, Russians are likely to first destroy everything in their path before leaving, because they will want to show they did not go home without inflicting more pain than they suffered. In the second, the outcome is actually similar, but Russians don't leave for a while at least (Putin seems to intend to install a puppet government, then leave). In both cases, there's almost nothing left standing in the whole of Ukraine. Unless they stop the fighting and negotiate, this seems to be the inevitable outcome.

fuoqi 5y ago

Firstly, there are zero tanks on the videos. Secondly, "snatched" is a very bold claim. There is a sizable number of videos of discarded Russian vehicles, but if you watch closely there is no blood and zero dead bodies. It looks like the Russian army simply discards vehicles with technical issues to keep forces mobile (this is why you see the vehicles towed, not moving by themselves). And lastly, in the second half of the second video the towed anti-air system is used mostly by the Ukrainian army (the Russian army uses more modern systems), so it looks like the Ukrainian army simply transports an immobile vehicle using an expropriated civilian tractor. Truth is the first casualty in war, indeed.

rightbyte 5y ago
I was a conscript in a MT-LB. The batalion lost like one per every other day to malfunction when driving alot. So I agree it is probably what is happening.
largbae 5y ago
You seem to have a different angle than most here. I'm not sure I can join you in rationalizing an invading army but I believe in your right to say what you want, and value hearing from all sides. Can you share any sources or background on your point of view?
- fuoqi 5y ago
  How do I rationalize it? I simply stated easy observations, which are not obvious to those who mostly form opinion based on the extremely active propaganda. While I have zero sympathy for the post-2014 Ukrainian regime (it's really far from being a cute little democracy as portrayed by the Western media) and I am fed up with the Western hypocrisy (simply compare the number of invaded countries and how those invasions were performed), based on information I have, I think that Putin has made a huge mistake and miscalculation based on a wrong understanding of situation inside Ukraine, which has evolved significantly in 8 years (not without a bunch of PsyOps help from the West). Currently I mostly form my opinion based on a number of Telegram channels (I will keep them to myself) and I do not watch ANY TV channels be they in Russian, Ukrainian, English, or other languages. I prefer mostly objective channels which simply repost videos and reports from those on the ground. Also after I see several blatant fakes on a channel or wild speculations, I quickly unfollow it.