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>Australia gets by just fine with standardized testing only, don't see why America can't as well. Because when the results align along racial boundaries and vo

>Australia gets by just fine with standardized testing only, don't see why America can't as well. Because when the results align along racial boundaries and votes (and therefore power) can be won by 'combating' that 'discrimination' policies follow accordingly.

jpgvm 5y ago
What? If you think standardized testing is benefiting white/rich Australians you are horrendously mistaken. Asian Australians disproportionally destroy the affluent white Australian population on standardized tests as they fucking should because they prepare more and work harder. As a result they have priority access to medicine and law degrees, again, as they fucking should. If someone is going to work harder for something they simply deserve it, that is all there is to it.
- pinephoneguy 5y ago
  The same is true in the US but reality doesn't matter.
- aiisjustanif 5y ago
  Just because Asian Australians do better on standardized testing does not mean white/rich Australians do not benefit more from it. The population size of each percentile and distribution across percentiles also matter. White identifying students can represent a larger distribution in the top percentile ranges overall [1]. > as they fucking should because they prepare more and work harder. Working harder does not increase population size or influence necessarily. > If someone is going to work harder for something they simply deserve it, that is all there is to it. Not all jobs, responsibilities, careers, political representation, the list goes on.. are based on merit or even hard work. Their is definitely an element of luck and survivorship bias. Standardized tests are also bias. They are biased toward individuals who are representative of the typical test-taking participant in background, who have more test-specific preparation beyond ability, and toward individuals who are more familiar and skilled with standardized test-taking in general. Also grouping all Asians together as a group that represents what you may think is ridiculous, the cultural differences between Chinese, Indian, and Vietnamese cultures are very different. [1] www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-highligh t-inequality-and-hinder-upward-mobility/
  - Lascaille 5y ago
    >If someone is going to work harder for something they simply deserve it What if they only know to work harder for something because of their privilege? Plenty of groups, due to lack of privilege, simply don't believe - because it hasn't applied to their cultures in the past - that hard work yields rewards. Imagine a slave. What incentive does a slave have to work harder? Why would a person from a culture that's backgrounded in slavery believe in hard work?

jpgvm 5y ago

What? If you think standardized testing is benefiting white/rich Australians you are horrendously mistaken. Asian Australians disproportionally destroy the affluent white Australian population on standardized tests as they fucking should because they prepare more and work harder. As a result they have priority access to medicine and law degrees, again, as they fucking should. If someone is going to work harder for something they simply deserve it, that is all there is to it.

pinephoneguy 5y ago
The same is true in the US but reality doesn't matter.
aiisjustanif 5y ago
Just because Asian Australians do better on standardized testing does not mean white/rich Australians do not benefit more from it. The population size of each percentile and distribution across percentiles also matter. White identifying students can represent a larger distribution in the top percentile ranges overall [1]. > as they fucking should because they prepare more and work harder. Working harder does not increase population size or influence necessarily. > If someone is going to work harder for something they simply deserve it, that is all there is to it. Not all jobs, responsibilities, careers, political representation, the list goes on.. are based on merit or even hard work. Their is definitely an element of luck and survivorship bias. Standardized tests are also bias. They are biased toward individuals who are representative of the typical test-taking participant in background, who have more test-specific preparation beyond ability, and toward individuals who are more familiar and skilled with standardized test-taking in general. Also grouping all Asians together as a group that represents what you may think is ridiculous, the cultural differences between Chinese, Indian, and Vietnamese cultures are very different. [1] www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-highligh t-inequality-and-hinder-upward-mobility/
- Lascaille 5y ago
  >If someone is going to work harder for something they simply deserve it What if they only know to work harder for something because of their privilege? Plenty of groups, due to lack of privilege, simply don't believe - because it hasn't applied to their cultures in the past - that hard work yields rewards. Imagine a slave. What incentive does a slave have to work harder? Why would a person from a culture that's backgrounded in slavery believe in hard work?