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Ideally, yes. But if the group of people who meet your standards does not exactly match the demographics of the general population, you will be held accountable

Ideally, yes. But if the group of people who meet your standards does not exactly match the demographics of the general population, you will be held accountable.

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chmod600 5y ago
Why should there be an expectation of uniformity? Subgroups of people come from different families and cultures, and at an aggregate level (not necessarily individuals) will have different values. Those values will lead to different talents and interests. Those different talents and interests will lead to meeting and failing different sets of standards. Wouldn't it be a boring world if things were entirely uniform? Can you really say that different cultures even exist if the differences are so trivial that they don't really make any difference to your life? Of course, nobody should be locked into a cultural stereotype. If they, individually, meet the standards, they should be treated as anyone else who does.
- hedora 5y ago
  It's all about incentives. It's easier for education departments to shoot the messenger (the college admissions board) than admit the K-12 system they're responsible for is hopelessly racist.
  - SyzygistSix 5y ago
    Or it is classist. Or is just plain failing.
anamax 5y ago
> Ideally, yes. But if the group of people who meet your standards does not exactly match the demographics of the general population, you will be held accountable. Like the NFL or NBA?
Ekaros 5y ago
So in workplace the gender-death the split isn't 50:50. Why aren't we very hard working to make it reality? By either making some work more dangerous or forcing people the gender-split on dangerous work?
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  Because it is not nearly as big of a problem as an entire racial and social class failing to be educated, having a high crime rate, and resulting in mass incarceration. It would be nice if the so-called fiscal conservatives cared as much about wasting the money addressing the issue after it is a problem as they do when trying to address it before it is a problem.
ww520 5y ago
Asians are way under represented in sport teams. Who will be held accountable?
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  They are trying to. Right now their kids supposedly spend all their time working on their GPA and SAT scores.
  - chernevik 5y ago
    And others aren't. And it shows.
    - SyzygistSix 5y ago
      Part of the argument is whether or not those criteria are the best to judge who will be the future leaders. I don't know myself but I think it is a fair argument.
  - ww520 5y ago
    Colleges admitting Asians with on sport scholarship is very low. By your logic, colleges should take away sport scholarship admission for other groups and grant them to Asians so that 1. fixes the low admission of other groups based on academic performance, and 2. fixes the under representation of Asians in sport teams.

Ideally, yes. But if the group of people who meet your standards does not exactly match the demographics of the general population, you will be held accountable.

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chmod600 5y ago

Why should there be an expectation of uniformity? Subgroups of people come from different families and cultures, and at an aggregate level (not necessarily individuals) will have different values. Those values will lead to different talents and interests. Those different talents and interests will lead to meeting and failing different sets of standards. Wouldn't it be a boring world if things were entirely uniform? Can you really say that different cultures even exist if the differences are so trivial that they don't really make any difference to your life? Of course, nobody should be locked into a cultural stereotype. If they, individually, meet the standards, they should be treated as anyone else who does.

hedora 5y ago
It's all about incentives. It's easier for education departments to shoot the messenger (the college admissions board) than admit the K-12 system they're responsible for is hopelessly racist.
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  Or it is classist. Or is just plain failing.

anamax 5y ago

> Ideally, yes. But if the group of people who meet your standards does not exactly match the demographics of the general population, you will be held accountable. Like the NFL or NBA?

Ekaros 5y ago

So in workplace the gender-death the split isn't 50:50. Why aren't we very hard working to make it reality? By either making some work more dangerous or forcing people the gender-split on dangerous work?

SyzygistSix 5y ago
Because it is not nearly as big of a problem as an entire racial and social class failing to be educated, having a high crime rate, and resulting in mass incarceration. It would be nice if the so-called fiscal conservatives cared as much about wasting the money addressing the issue after it is a problem as they do when trying to address it before it is a problem.

ww520 5y ago

Asians are way under represented in sport teams. Who will be held accountable?

SyzygistSix 5y ago
They are trying to. Right now their kids supposedly spend all their time working on their GPA and SAT scores.
- chernevik 5y ago
  And others aren't. And it shows.
  - SyzygistSix 5y ago
    Part of the argument is whether or not those criteria are the best to judge who will be the future leaders. I don't know myself but I think it is a fair argument.
- ww520 5y ago
  Colleges admitting Asians with on sport scholarship is very low. By your logic, colleges should take away sport scholarship admission for other groups and grant them to Asians so that 1. fixes the low admission of other groups based on academic performance, and 2. fixes the under representation of Asians in sport teams.