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The goal isn't to disadvantage Asians in particular. It's about balancing demographics by giving advantages to under-represented groups, which inherently means
by goodoldneon 5y ago
The goal isn't to disadvantage Asians in particular. It's about balancing demographics by giving advantages to under-represented groups, which inherently means giving disadvantages to over-represented groups.
Affirmative action is messy because it's getting in the middle of zero sum games (e.g. college admissions and hiring). But diversity is a significant problem in many parts of American society, and just about every proposed solution is messy, ineffective, or both.
- com2kid 5y agoAmerica needs to build more colleges. Based on current wtf pricing and demand, 2xing the number might do it.
- mschuster91 5y agoOr fix the demand side. Right now, megacorps are abusing colleges as a filter to weed out people who can't cope with high stress environments or keep deadlines and, even more egregious, load the cost for a lot of what used to be employer-paid on-the-job training onto the students via student loans. A "bullshit job" should not require a college degree.
- gruez 5y agoHow would that "fix" look like? Awareness campaigns? "ban the box"?
- mschuster91 5y agoBan companies from requiring college degrees unless they can prove a college degree and the associated skills/knowledge are mandatory to fulfill the job.
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- randomifcpfan 5y agoIn California, if an employment test is passed at different rates by different races or genders, that in itself is considered evidence of illegal discrimination. Employers use a college degree requirement as a proxy for competency that doesn’t get them sued by the state.
- ngc248 5y agoThis won't fix the problem. The older/well known colleges will still be prestigious and demand for them will not reduce.
- com2kid 5y agoIt will fix it eventually when those new colleges build up a reputation. It'll take time but it will fix itself.
- yhoneycomb 5y agoLet's not beat around the bush here. It's "messy" because it's racist against Asians.
- goodoldneon 5y agoHow do you suggest we increase admissions for under-represented groups?
- userbinator 5y agoYou don't. That shouldn't ever be a goal. Unfortunately a lot of people don't realise that the real world isn't, and can't be, that way.
- goodoldneon 5y ago
- matchbok 5y agoI’m sad that you support discrimination.
- travisporter 5y agoDon’t you want to look at my dice if I don’t get a 6 after 50 rolls? 12? I think it’s reasonable at a certain point
- esyir 5y agoSure, though your dice might not be weighted the way you thought. Rather, you might want to look at the pipeline. Asian culture is particularly education focused, so is it surprising that Asians are overrepresented in areas heavily associated with education?
- anonymoushn 5y ago
- jltsiren 5y agoCollege admissions and hiring are not zero-sum games. It's possible to provide good education and good jobs to everyone, according to their ability. Elite status is the real zero-sum game, because it's exclusive by definition. Elite universities don't provide substantially better education than those dedicated to educating the masses. They are elite because they offer elite status and opportunities for networking with the future elite.
- esyir 5y agoThen try and make the AA group fundamentally stronger to get better qualifications, rather than lowering the bar for them. Giving "unfair" advantages there will only bring racial tension. People can bring up "systemic discrimination", but using Affirmative Action as the cudgel to solve this isn't fixing the issue, it's a stopgap that will probably make it worse.