This is very interesting. It’s worth pointing out that Ukraine never actually did join NATO (and arguably was a long way from it) and war was still the outcome

This is very interesting. It’s worth pointing out that Ukraine never actually did join NATO (and arguably was a long way from it) and war was still the outcome. The right of Ukrainians to self determine their country’s future shouldn’t hinge on the whims of Putin or Russia in general. Yes, I know that is a moral position at odds with politics and reality