> Maybe I was too late to PH, but it always seemed to be this way to me. Nah, it wasn't always this way. I was in the first 10k users back in ~2014. There ar

> Maybe I was too late to PH, but it always seemed to be this way to me. Nah, it wasn't always this way. I was in the first 10k users back in ~2014. There are many legit startups and products on there from years ago, when startup product people treated it like their version of HN. At that time it was very well curated, and they had good protection against voting rings -- many startup people used to send out direct links to their posting in their network and then they eventually started penalizing that type of vote. I don't use it much these days, but there's a lot of good (and well-pknown) stuff in this top 1000 leaderboard [1]. [1]: https://pesto.app/leaderboard-for-product-hunt/ https://pesto.app/leaderboard-for-product-hunt/