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Or almost like a white man hiring another white man?

s17n 5y ago
White men don't do this anymore.
dsl 5y ago
This in itself is an incredibly racist statement. It is like saying "an asian hiring another asian" while completely ignoring any sub-groups. "White men" are more diverse than you think and have only in modern times put things like hibernophobia behind us.
- Shindi 5y ago
  Although I agree with your comment that you need to not ignore the nuance behind subgroups, I disagree with you calling your parent comment racist. These are hard questions and the nuance is not obvious to everyone. For example some people think my group (Arabs) all share common culture even though this is not true. I think to be able to genuinely change things, we have to be careful about calling other racist. I will be the first to admit I am an ignorant. I think we're all ignorant about something.
- pansinghkoder 5y ago
  - cbtacy 5y ago
    #midrop
- pm90 5y ago
  > "White men" are more diverse than you think and have only in modern times put things like hibernophobia behind us. While this may be factually correct, that’s not exactly what racism here refers to, and to dismiss it as such is ignoring legitimate concerns. Yea, there might be diversity among white men. However. White Men weren’t enslaved in large numbers. White men weren’t excluded by redlining. American society did not systematically deny the same opportunities to white men that it denied to other races and genders. So when talking about racism, it’s not really helpful to point out that by definition not all white men are the same.
tomrod 5y ago
Misnomer. "White" isn't a culture. https://www.tiktok.com/@tizzyent/video/6881703506558848262?lang=en https://www.tiktok.com/@tizzyent/video/6881703506558848262?l...
- kortilla 5y ago
  Neither is “Asian”.
- Aurelius3 5y ago
  I don't understand this perspective. Aren't European Americans similarly stripped of there European heritage as time goes on in the new world? Thus the word white in america means "of european origin living in america" the same way black means "of african origin living in america". I think it is really schizophrenic to say that black culture exists but white culture does not seeing as both terms represent a new world phenomenon of classifying cultures and groups by where they originated.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    > I don't understand this perspective. The first few seconds of the linked video cover this. I encourage you to watch it. Effectively, there is not a strong equivalence between the categorization of white vs. black in terms of origin. Whites typically weren't forced to move to North America and have their home cultures stripped from them through generations of slavery. This is why you find things like German Heritage celebrations or St. Patrick's Day, etc. You don't see Yoruba Heritage celebrations, etc. Further, the definition of "white" has grown over time to incorporate Irish, Italian, Slavic, etc. African heritage has persisted as a secondary class of citizens or worse in US history. That is what is meant by stripped heritage. It really isn't schizophrenic. A white person could use the census and other tools to trace their roots successfully, further. A black person can and often does hit a dead end much quicker. We all come from somewhere -- knowing one's history can be helpful medically and for personal worldview. Should a person be solely where their ancestors originated? I don't think so. But it does matter, in the same way the OP article on caste matters, in hundreds to thousands of small interactions over the course of every day life. I highly recommend Dr. Painter's The History of White People. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_White_People https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_White_People
barry-cotter 5y ago
No, because there are many foreign white people in America and they don’t consider white Americans to be their ethnic group any more than a Somali or Jamaican considers themselves to be African-American. Even if you exclusively talk about born in America white people there are at least four quite distinct ethnic groups there so there’s limited fellow feeling. And then there are children of immigrants who feel a strong identification with their parents’ ethnic group too. White Americans have as little fellow feeling as Asian Americans, if for different reasons. Asian American identification is a sign of assimilation. Japanese, Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese people are proud of their own heritage. Anyone who feels that being Asian is an important part of their identity probably speaks the language of their ancestors badly or not at all.
sfmike 5y ago
what is a #FFFFFF man?

s17n 5y ago

White men don't do this anymore.

dsl 5y ago

This in itself is an incredibly racist statement. It is like saying "an asian hiring another asian" while completely ignoring any sub-groups. "White men" are more diverse than you think and have only in modern times put things like hibernophobia behind us.

Shindi 5y ago
Although I agree with your comment that you need to not ignore the nuance behind subgroups, I disagree with you calling your parent comment racist. These are hard questions and the nuance is not obvious to everyone. For example some people think my group (Arabs) all share common culture even though this is not true. I think to be able to genuinely change things, we have to be careful about calling other racist. I will be the first to admit I am an ignorant. I think we're all ignorant about something.
pansinghkoder 5y ago
- cbtacy 5y ago
  #midrop
pm90 5y ago
> "White men" are more diverse than you think and have only in modern times put things like hibernophobia behind us. While this may be factually correct, that’s not exactly what racism here refers to, and to dismiss it as such is ignoring legitimate concerns. Yea, there might be diversity among white men. However. White Men weren’t enslaved in large numbers. White men weren’t excluded by redlining. American society did not systematically deny the same opportunities to white men that it denied to other races and genders. So when talking about racism, it’s not really helpful to point out that by definition not all white men are the same.

tomrod 5y ago

Misnomer. "White" isn't a culture. https://www.tiktok.com/@tizzyent/video/6881703506558848262?lang=en https://www.tiktok.com/@tizzyent/video/6881703506558848262?l...

kortilla 5y ago
Neither is “Asian”.
Aurelius3 5y ago
I don't understand this perspective. Aren't European Americans similarly stripped of there European heritage as time goes on in the new world? Thus the word white in america means "of european origin living in america" the same way black means "of african origin living in america". I think it is really schizophrenic to say that black culture exists but white culture does not seeing as both terms represent a new world phenomenon of classifying cultures and groups by where they originated.
- tomrod 5y ago
  > I don't understand this perspective. The first few seconds of the linked video cover this. I encourage you to watch it. Effectively, there is not a strong equivalence between the categorization of white vs. black in terms of origin. Whites typically weren't forced to move to North America and have their home cultures stripped from them through generations of slavery. This is why you find things like German Heritage celebrations or St. Patrick's Day, etc. You don't see Yoruba Heritage celebrations, etc. Further, the definition of "white" has grown over time to incorporate Irish, Italian, Slavic, etc. African heritage has persisted as a secondary class of citizens or worse in US history. That is what is meant by stripped heritage. It really isn't schizophrenic. A white person could use the census and other tools to trace their roots successfully, further. A black person can and often does hit a dead end much quicker. We all come from somewhere -- knowing one's history can be helpful medically and for personal worldview. Should a person be solely where their ancestors originated? I don't think so. But it does matter, in the same way the OP article on caste matters, in hundreds to thousands of small interactions over the course of every day life. I highly recommend Dr. Painter's The History of White People. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_White_People https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_White_People

barry-cotter 5y ago

No, because there are many foreign white people in America and they don’t consider white Americans to be their ethnic group any more than a Somali or Jamaican considers themselves to be African-American. Even if you exclusively talk about born in America white people there are at least four quite distinct ethnic groups there so there’s limited fellow feeling. And then there are children of immigrants who feel a strong identification with their parents’ ethnic group too. White Americans have as little fellow feeling as Asian Americans, if for different reasons. Asian American identification is a sign of assimilation. Japanese, Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese people are proud of their own heritage. Anyone who feels that being Asian is an important part of their identity probably speaks the language of their ancestors badly or not at all.

sfmike 5y ago

what is a #FFFFFF man?