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Can you point me to a luxury German brand that is as reliable as a Toyota/Lexus or Honda/Acura? Here's some facts to dispell the myth that Toyota/Lexus reliabil

by _3u10 5y ago

Can you point me to a luxury German brand that is as reliable as a Toyota/Lexus or Honda/Acura? Here's some facts to dispell the myth that Toyota/Lexus reliability is HN bias. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-lincoln-the-least/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-th...

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
"Ze Germans" aren't "reliable" by western metrics because that's not something their engineering culture strives for. You're comparing apples to oranges using a scale derived for grapefruit and acting like it's some big accomplishment that the orange wins. If Toyota was trying to build better driving machines than Audi, build to the bottom dollar like Chrysler or cram in new tech gimmicks like Kia they would score similarly in those qualities and in reliability because the tradeoffs are necessarily similiar. All engineers have the same technology and supply chains at their disposal and the same laws of physics to constrain them. The reason Toyota's vehicles are reliable is because they make cars for people who want to pay top dollar for reliable. The reason Audi makes cars that drive great is because they make cars for people who want to pay top dollar for great driving. At the end of the day it's just going to boil down to you a value judgement about which qualities are important.
- _3u10 5y ago
  The context of the discussion was reliable used cars. If you buy a used Audi you are going to have a lot of problems. That’s what my comment addresses. The driving experience is not that good when the shocks are blown to shit, bearings are spun, or the timing chain inevitably fails and the pistons drive the valves through the head. Also, my 4Runner will smoke most Audis, it has 385,000 kms on it, and I change the oil once or twice a year. I bet most Audis the age and mileage of my 4Runner would start spinning bearings during a spirited drive, and my G35 just runs circles around them. If you’re an idiot buy an Audi, if you’re looking for reliability buy a Toyota if you want a great sports car buy a Corvette. The only reason to buy an Audi is if you’re nostalgic for the Quattro days of rally. I guess if you want to drive an iPhone they aren’t bad. Audis are basically fat, slow and unreliable. (Yes they make some decent cars if you want to pay Z06 prices for Mustang performance with 6.0 powerstroke reliability. Btw I’m German, I have a bit of an idea what the engineering culture is like. It’s basically an engineering circle jerk, anyone can make a big unreliable engine that produces less power in more space than a $300 pushrod LS.

by _3u10 5y ago

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

"Ze Germans" aren't "reliable" by western metrics because that's not something their engineering culture strives for. You're comparing apples to oranges using a scale derived for grapefruit and acting like it's some big accomplishment that the orange wins. If Toyota was trying to build better driving machines than Audi, build to the bottom dollar like Chrysler or cram in new tech gimmicks like Kia they would score similarly in those qualities and in reliability because the tradeoffs are necessarily similiar. All engineers have the same technology and supply chains at their disposal and the same laws of physics to constrain them. The reason Toyota's vehicles are reliable is because they make cars for people who want to pay top dollar for reliable. The reason Audi makes cars that drive great is because they make cars for people who want to pay top dollar for great driving. At the end of the day it's just going to boil down to you a value judgement about which qualities are important.

_3u10 5y ago
The context of the discussion was reliable used cars. If you buy a used Audi you are going to have a lot of problems. That’s what my comment addresses. The driving experience is not that good when the shocks are blown to shit, bearings are spun, or the timing chain inevitably fails and the pistons drive the valves through the head. Also, my 4Runner will smoke most Audis, it has 385,000 kms on it, and I change the oil once or twice a year. I bet most Audis the age and mileage of my 4Runner would start spinning bearings during a spirited drive, and my G35 just runs circles around them. If you’re an idiot buy an Audi, if you’re looking for reliability buy a Toyota if you want a great sports car buy a Corvette. The only reason to buy an Audi is if you’re nostalgic for the Quattro days of rally. I guess if you want to drive an iPhone they aren’t bad. Audis are basically fat, slow and unreliable. (Yes they make some decent cars if you want to pay Z06 prices for Mustang performance with 6.0 powerstroke reliability. Btw I’m German, I have a bit of an idea what the engineering culture is like. It’s basically an engineering circle jerk, anyone can make a big unreliable engine that produces less power in more space than a $300 pushrod LS.