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> privilege is invisible to those who have it. Just think about that This is not true (very easy to prove it’s false) and I’d question the intent of who taught

> privilege is invisible to those who have it. Just think about that This is not true (very easy to prove it’s false) and I’d question the intent of who taught you this - it’s the kind of method religions/cults/political parties use to indoctrinate.

MegaButts 5y ago
> This is not true (very easy to prove it’s false) Please prove it's false.
randomhodler84 5y ago
I think it is true. How can you easily disprove it. Myself, from a more privileged background, was not even aware of the issues “on the ground” until I saw and lived it for myself. It’s very easy to see where personal bias can cause one to overlook or fail to notice the experience of others. Is your objection to privileged background failing to notice privilege, or objection to the notion of privilege itself?
lolinder 5y ago
> it’s the kind of method religions/cults/political parties use to indoctrinate This kind of language ("cult" and "indoctrinate") is a conversation-stopper and does nothing to help anyone. If it's so easy to prove the idea is false, could you do that instead of using baseless invectives?
- beerandt 5y ago
  >This kind of language Same can be said for current usage of "privilege" and "equity".
  - lolinder 5y ago
    In some contexts, yes, but there was nothing in the OP's use of "privilege" that attempted to silence any further discussion.
    - beerandt 5y ago
      But it is used to silence, just differently. Per OP: Noticing privilege is proof of privilege existing in society. Not noticing privilege is proof of privilege and proof of the observer's oblivious-ness. If all answers are supposedly proof of your claim, that's just another way to silence dissent by invalidating opposing claims and viewpoints.
- Manuel_D 5y ago
  It's trivial to prove that it's false. Have you never heard a white person talk about white privilege? Ironically, some of the responses saying it's true that privilege invisible to those who have it are demonstrating otherwise. For instance, this [1] response who wrote that they weren't aware of their privilege "until I saw and lived it for myself". If privilege were invisible to those that have it, they wouldn't have been able to see it. Actually ask around, and the overwhelming majority of people are cognizant that coming from a stable family is a privilege relative to coming from a dysfunctional family. Or coming from a wealthy family is a privilege relative to coming from an impoverished one. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30521552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30521552
  - lolinder 5y ago
    I'm not debating the point; I actually agree with you completely. I was simply calling out unhelpful rhetoric that detracted from the discussion.

MegaButts 5y ago

> This is not true (very easy to prove it’s false) Please prove it's false.

randomhodler84 5y ago

I think it is true. How can you easily disprove it. Myself, from a more privileged background, was not even aware of the issues “on the ground” until I saw and lived it for myself. It’s very easy to see where personal bias can cause one to overlook or fail to notice the experience of others. Is your objection to privileged background failing to notice privilege, or objection to the notion of privilege itself?

lolinder 5y ago

> it’s the kind of method religions/cults/political parties use to indoctrinate This kind of language ("cult" and "indoctrinate") is a conversation-stopper and does nothing to help anyone. If it's so easy to prove the idea is false, could you do that instead of using baseless invectives?

beerandt 5y ago
>This kind of language Same can be said for current usage of "privilege" and "equity".
- lolinder 5y ago
  In some contexts, yes, but there was nothing in the OP's use of "privilege" that attempted to silence any further discussion.
  - beerandt 5y ago
    But it is used to silence, just differently. Per OP: Noticing privilege is proof of privilege existing in society. Not noticing privilege is proof of privilege and proof of the observer's oblivious-ness. If all answers are supposedly proof of your claim, that's just another way to silence dissent by invalidating opposing claims and viewpoints.
Manuel_D 5y ago
It's trivial to prove that it's false. Have you never heard a white person talk about white privilege? Ironically, some of the responses saying it's true that privilege invisible to those who have it are demonstrating otherwise. For instance, this [1] response who wrote that they weren't aware of their privilege "until I saw and lived it for myself". If privilege were invisible to those that have it, they wouldn't have been able to see it. Actually ask around, and the overwhelming majority of people are cognizant that coming from a stable family is a privilege relative to coming from a dysfunctional family. Or coming from a wealthy family is a privilege relative to coming from an impoverished one. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30521552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30521552
- lolinder 5y ago
  I'm not debating the point; I actually agree with you completely. I was simply calling out unhelpful rhetoric that detracted from the discussion.