4 ms·

Seems to exist for Indian muslims as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among

• tsol 5y ago
  Anecdotally I believe it occurs in a much lower amount, I haven't seen it at all as an Indian Muslim. Still I don't deny that it happens, especially in areas with less education. By creed it doesn't make sense-- as a popular hadith says "no Arab is better than a non Arab and no white is better than a black, except by piety and good deeds". Of course this hasn't stopped the ignorant in the past(unfortunately)
  • kamaal 5y ago
    Among muslims themselves its practically non-existent. Speaking as a Muslim, the way the Indian society perceives us, we are the lowest of the lowest castes. Muslims themselves perceive our layer as fairly flat. This is mostly because most muslims themselves have been caste refugees to a new religion(Islam) in the past. And for the better wouldn't want to go back to that history.
    • thowaway_2mar 5y ago
      Not true, you maybe an "upper-caste muslim". 1 ) https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-muslim-community-under-a-churn-85-backward-pasmandas-up-against-15-ashrafs/234599/ https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-muslim-community-under-a-... 2) https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/muslim-social-hierarchy-caste-system-ajlaf-ashraf/ https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/muslim-social-hierarchy-cast... 3) https://theprint.in/opinion/pasmanda-muslims-missing-from-positions-of-power-waqf-board-to-jamaat-e-islami/746464/ https://theprint.in/opinion/pasmanda-muslims-missing-from-po... 4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lENVbLrJOQw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lENVbLrJOQw 5) https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/we-need-a-caste-census-of-muslim-community-too-says-pasmanda-community-leader-khalid-anis-ansari/article36227039.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/we-need-a-caste-censu... 6) https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/dilip-kumar-the-gardener-of-the-pasmanda-movement-1005877.html https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/dilip-kumar-the-gardene... 7) https://thewire.in/caste/lower-caste-muslims-in-up-forge-new-solidarities-ahead-of-assembly-elections https://thewire.in/caste/lower-caste-muslims-in-up-forge-new... Emancipation of the Dalit Muslims hasn't yet occurred, Hindu-Muslim binary contributes to this oppression of Pasmanda and Dalit/ lower caste Muslims. The oppressor can never understand the pain of the oppressed. How many lower caste Muslims ruled India? Why 90% of the Muslims politicians are upper caste ashrafs/syeeds? Ashraf hegemony must end.
      • kamaal 5y ago
        Im as lowest as lowest goes. Like whole family used to sleep in a small room, seen struggle for food and finished engineering with help of lots of people and scholarships. Dad started with manual labor work, and things like cutting wood in forests when he started. Retired as a taxi driver. Not seen any caste system in muslims, let alone discrimination of any kind. Looks like desparate attempt from Hindus to drag muslims into this just to be able to say 'Its not just us'.
  • thowaway_2mar 5y ago
    ^ Anecdotally I believe it occurs in a much lower amount, I haven't seen it at all as an Indian Muslim. Just read the oppression Indian lower caste untouchable Muslims face in India. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasmanda_Muslim_Mahaz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasmanda_Muslim_Mahaz Upper caste dominant ashraf/sayeed Muslims in India have tried to label the people of the Mahaz as "un-Islamic heretics", which is a form of propaganda against them. Same is the case in Pakistan. We all are Muslims and we don't have castes. Unless it's about an upper-caste Muslim woman marrying a lower caste untouchable muslim.
• azifali 5y ago
  Caste system exists in Muslims in India albeit at much lower levels than mainstream Indian Hindus. Muslims have been more steadily organizing as Sunnis, Shias and everyone else. But invisible cultural barriers exist when it comes to language even though caste barriers have gone away.