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In what ways was the US tempting Ukraine to join NATO? Because NATO expansionism is the core of Russia's propaganda, along with other non-sense like clearing th
by rblatz 5y ago
In what ways was the US tempting Ukraine to join NATO? Because NATO expansionism is the core of Russia's propaganda, along with other non-sense like clearing the country of Jewish Nazism.
- itake 5y agoBucharest Summit Declaration 2008 > NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_8443.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_8443.htm
- pedalpete 5y agoIt's 2022. You're pointing to a declaration that is 14 years old. Do you have anything more current? Why the invasion now?
- tommiegannert 5y agoI have been wondering the same thing; what was the trigger? Maybe new ties to Turkey: > Over the past two years, NATO member Turkey and Ukraine have bolstered defense industry ties, including an agreement by Turkish drone-maker Baykar to build a production facility near Kyiv for its popular Bayraktar TB2 drone. The Ukrainian government has also dubbed Turkey "one of its key economic partners." https://www.dw.com/en/turkeys-intelligence-agency-abducts-arms-dealer-in-ukraine/a-60634563 https://www.dw.com/en/turkeys-intelligence-agency-abducts-ar...
- itake 5y agoRussia Annex Crimea in response to that in 2012. Russia's power and economy is weakening. They needed time to prepare their forces and complete their Crimea annexation. We also had COVID in 2019-2022.
- kelnos 5y agoSo Ukraine says "hey, we think we probably want to join NATO". And NATO responds "cool, that sounds good", and... so what? Ukraine is a sovereign nation and should be allowed to ally itself with whatever country or group it wants to. Perhaps Russia should take a hard look at why Ukraine didn't feel that allying with Russia would be in their best interests?
- cudgy 5y agoSo, Mexico is a sovereign nation and should be allowed to ally with North Korea or Iran, right? The USA would be understanding of Mexico’s sovereignty and stand by while North Korea sends military aid to Mexico, installs their elite sons and daughters as board members of Mexico’s largest corporations, and blatantly strategizes who will become the “elected” leader of Mexico. Perhaps you should take a hard look at the reality of what all powerful nations do when they feel threatened by their foes close to their borders. Ignoring it is at everyone’s peril.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> Mexico is a sovereign nation and should be allowed to ally with North Korea or Iran, right? Yes. Or, more realistically, China. Is this supposed to be trap of some kind?
- CRConrad 5y ago> So, Mexico is a sovereign nation and should be allowed to ally with North Korea or Iran, right? AFAIK they are allowed to do that. And if they did, the USA should take a long hard look at itself and think why Mexico wanted to do it. There, do you have any more strawmen for us to burn?
- itake 5y agoTo add: "Cuba is a sovereign nation. They should be allowed to store Russia's nuclear missiles." /s