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> dismissed any ideas some countries might have had about leaving EU for decades Let’s not steal the credit from Boris Johnson and Theresa May for that.

onei 5y ago
I'm not sure Theresa May gets any real credit for Brexit as a concept. She didn't campaign for it; she was just daft enough to think anyone could negotiate something that satisfied the multitude of unworkable or contrasting promises.
- ivan_gammel 5y ago
  She decided that her country should actually proceed with Brexit and has chosen the process for it.
  - drumhead 5y ago
    The electorate decided that with the result of the referendum. Boris Johnson won the election with a landslide on the promise that he'd leave.
    - netsharc 5y ago
      I'm a bit annoyed that people say 52% is "the electorate said...", and the referendum was non-binding, the government could've said "OK, but here are the effects of Brexit and why we're not going to proceed...".
      - jimmydorry 5y ago
        Which is what the general election was for. Boris got into power on the back of promising to deliver...
        oarsinsync 5y ago
        > Boris got into power on the back of An electoral system where the majority of votes cast were not in his favour
        onei 5y ago
        It's easy to forget, but the last 2 elections were based on getting Brexit done. The first one did not go terribly well for Theresa May, the second went well for Boris. The difference was the leader of the party - the policies were not radically different to a layman. It's hard to see it as more than a popularity contest.
      - Veen 5y ago
        Wouldn’t have changed anything, except perhaps May would have been removed sooner and Johnson would have been made leader to fight and win the 2017 GE. There’s no way the Tories could have ignored the referendum results.
- philjohn 5y ago
  She also laid out the notorious "red lines" that made any sensible deal impossible.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > she was just daft enough to think anyone could negotiate something that satisfied the multitude of unworkable or contrasting promises Another take: She didn't realize that Boris Johnson wanted power, and therefore would do everything possible to undermine her. There was no way to make a deal with Johnson.
MagnumOpus 5y ago
> Let’s not steal the credit from Boris Johnson and Theresa May for that. They didn't have an original idea in their lives. The idea is Dugin's, the funding comes from the Russian tax payer, the public face was Nigel Farage, the campaign strategy and slogans come from Dom Cummings.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  Most succinct and overall best summing-up I've seen, thank you! One tiny quibble: > the funding comes from the Russian tax payer And perhaps mainly from the ordinary European who heats with gas.

onei 5y ago

I'm not sure Theresa May gets any real credit for Brexit as a concept. She didn't campaign for it; she was just daft enough to think anyone could negotiate something that satisfied the multitude of unworkable or contrasting promises.

ivan_gammel 5y ago
She decided that her country should actually proceed with Brexit and has chosen the process for it.
- drumhead 5y ago
  The electorate decided that with the result of the referendum. Boris Johnson won the election with a landslide on the promise that he'd leave.
  - netsharc 5y ago
    I'm a bit annoyed that people say 52% is "the electorate said...", and the referendum was non-binding, the government could've said "OK, but here are the effects of Brexit and why we're not going to proceed...".
    - jimmydorry 5y ago
      Which is what the general election was for. Boris got into power on the back of promising to deliver...
      - oarsinsync 5y ago
        > Boris got into power on the back of An electoral system where the majority of votes cast were not in his favour
      - onei 5y ago
        It's easy to forget, but the last 2 elections were based on getting Brexit done. The first one did not go terribly well for Theresa May, the second went well for Boris. The difference was the leader of the party - the policies were not radically different to a layman. It's hard to see it as more than a popularity contest.
    - Veen 5y ago
      Wouldn’t have changed anything, except perhaps May would have been removed sooner and Johnson would have been made leader to fight and win the 2017 GE. There’s no way the Tories could have ignored the referendum results.
philjohn 5y ago
She also laid out the notorious "red lines" that made any sensible deal impossible.
wolverine876 5y ago
> she was just daft enough to think anyone could negotiate something that satisfied the multitude of unworkable or contrasting promises Another take: She didn't realize that Boris Johnson wanted power, and therefore would do everything possible to undermine her. There was no way to make a deal with Johnson.

MagnumOpus 5y ago

> Let’s not steal the credit from Boris Johnson and Theresa May for that. They didn't have an original idea in their lives. The idea is Dugin's, the funding comes from the Russian tax payer, the public face was Nigel Farage, the campaign strategy and slogans come from Dom Cummings.

CRConrad 5y ago
Most succinct and overall best summing-up I've seen, thank you! One tiny quibble: > the funding comes from the Russian tax payer And perhaps mainly from the ordinary European who heats with gas.