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How much time did Americans spent to conquer Iraq? Russians are besieging Kiev in mere days and probably will finish the entire operation in few weeks. This is

How much time did Americans spent to conquer Iraq? Russians are besieging Kiev in mere days and probably will finish the entire operation in few weeks. This is unprecedented efficiency against a huge ukrainian army fed by the entire West with weapons and instructors, which just had 8 years experience of constant war against donbass. Russian army is amazing.

dereg 5y ago
This is a bizarre perspective, especially because our lessons in Afghanistan and Iraq have taught us that the invasion itself occurs simply and uneventfully. Remolding the conquered land to become invader friendly is, on the other hand, an endeavor that both the US and Russia know is infeasible and a losing proposition.
- Loughla 5y ago
  Honestly, it seems like taking a lot longer on the invasion, and therefore killing a lot more of your enemy combatants might be a better strategy than dealing with them as insurgents after a swift take over.
  - rurp 5y ago
    Bombing cities and killing civilians is a great way to create insurgents. Every time a country blows up a person's home or kills their family members there is a chance that person picks up a gun and starts fighting back.
rurp 5y ago
You are comparing an invasion to an invasion plus an occupation, which makes no sense. Saddam had a very powerful army at the time, and the US military walked through it like it was nothing. Occupying Iraq and building a new regime went terribly, as almost all such projects do. Even if Russia manages to conquer Ukraine entirely, which is a massive if, I've seen absolutely nothing in the past 6 days to make me think that an occupation by them would be anything other than a horrid disaster. Aside from pure propaganda, I have no idea what information you could be looking at to come to the conclusion that Russia is executing the invasion well at this point.
koonsolo 5y ago
> Russian army is amazing. Which part exactly? The elite spetsnaz that got captured? The Chechenian army that got drone striked including the general? The failure of securing the airspace? The total cluelessness of the soldiers? The inability to defend the airfield once captured? The failed logistics? Yeah, great army, never seen anything like it!

dereg 5y ago

This is a bizarre perspective, especially because our lessons in Afghanistan and Iraq have taught us that the invasion itself occurs simply and uneventfully. Remolding the conquered land to become invader friendly is, on the other hand, an endeavor that both the US and Russia know is infeasible and a losing proposition.

Loughla 5y ago
Honestly, it seems like taking a lot longer on the invasion, and therefore killing a lot more of your enemy combatants might be a better strategy than dealing with them as insurgents after a swift take over.
- rurp 5y ago
  Bombing cities and killing civilians is a great way to create insurgents. Every time a country blows up a person's home or kills their family members there is a chance that person picks up a gun and starts fighting back.

rurp 5y ago

You are comparing an invasion to an invasion plus an occupation, which makes no sense. Saddam had a very powerful army at the time, and the US military walked through it like it was nothing. Occupying Iraq and building a new regime went terribly, as almost all such projects do. Even if Russia manages to conquer Ukraine entirely, which is a massive if, I've seen absolutely nothing in the past 6 days to make me think that an occupation by them would be anything other than a horrid disaster. Aside from pure propaganda, I have no idea what information you could be looking at to come to the conclusion that Russia is executing the invasion well at this point.

koonsolo 5y ago

> Russian army is amazing. Which part exactly? The elite spetsnaz that got captured? The Chechenian army that got drone striked including the general? The failure of securing the airspace? The total cluelessness of the soldiers? The inability to defend the airfield once captured? The failed logistics? Yeah, great army, never seen anything like it!