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I think it might be more valuable for everyone here if you pointed out factual errors instead of making sweeping statements like that.

by leobg 5y ago

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dragontamer 5y ago
Kyiv TV Tower was just hit today. Feel free to find the footage, its all over the place, everyone recorded it. Is not a TV-station a civilian target? Or do you think that's a valid military target? ------ Is UK President Zelenskyy a "valid military target" ? He's a civilian, and assassination attempts on civilian leadership is frowned upon. ------------ Its clear that Russia has begun to attack the _civilians_ of Ukraine. Hell, Russia may have been attacking civilians on Day 1, but now we have incredible video evidence of these attacks just a few days in. Anyone claiming that Russia is "only targeting military" ignores the hospitals, neighborhoods, TV-stations, and leadership buildings that have been blown up by the Russians. This isn't just a one-off error, this is going on across Ukraine in general, wherever the Russian military is located. ----- A major Kharkiv government building was just blown up too. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kharkiv-official-russian-missiles-hit-city-administration-residential-areas-2022-03-01/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kharkiv-official-russia... There wasn't any military there. That was a civilian target. Anyone calling these attacks "valid military targets" is clearly tied into Russian propaganda. Maybe they aren't aware of it and are just copy/pasting their "trusted news sources", but now is the time to wake up and realize that they're being mislead by the Russian government. Its utterly simple to prove that civilians are dying here. We got videos of it after all, we're in the smartphone age.
witrak 5y ago
This part o the discussion is not on facts but opinions. You seem to allow guilhas to express highly arguable opinions but at the same time don't allow a (no less justified) opinion about guilhas.
olliej 5y ago
They repeatedly call the Russian invasion of Crimea a civil war, they claim that Russia has a right to further invade the rest of Ukraine due to Ukraine attempt to resist an invasion, they have been repeatedly documented deliberately targeting civilian structures (here's a hint: civilian housing in cities, childr cancer hospitals, etc are not military targets). They also repeatedly (in the face of direct evidence) claim that Russia "doesn't want a war", just total capitulation and surrender of Ukraine. At best they're a useful patsy, at worst this is their job.

I think it might be more valuable for everyone here if you pointed out factual errors instead of making sweeping statements like that.

by leobg 5y ago

I think it might be more valuable for everyone here if you pointed out factual errors instead of making sweeping statements like that.

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dragontamer 5y ago

Kyiv TV Tower was just hit today. Feel free to find the footage, its all over the place, everyone recorded it. Is not a TV-station a civilian target? Or do you think that's a valid military target? ------ Is UK President Zelenskyy a "valid military target" ? He's a civilian, and assassination attempts on civilian leadership is frowned upon. ------------ Its clear that Russia has begun to attack the _civilians_ of Ukraine. Hell, Russia may have been attacking civilians on Day 1, but now we have incredible video evidence of these attacks just a few days in. Anyone claiming that Russia is "only targeting military" ignores the hospitals, neighborhoods, TV-stations, and leadership buildings that have been blown up by the Russians. This isn't just a one-off error, this is going on across Ukraine in general, wherever the Russian military is located. ----- A major Kharkiv government building was just blown up too. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kharkiv-official-russian-missiles-hit-city-administration-residential-areas-2022-03-01/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kharkiv-official-russia... There wasn't any military there. That was a civilian target. Anyone calling these attacks "valid military targets" is clearly tied into Russian propaganda. Maybe they aren't aware of it and are just copy/pasting their "trusted news sources", but now is the time to wake up and realize that they're being mislead by the Russian government. Its utterly simple to prove that civilians are dying here. We got videos of it after all, we're in the smartphone age.

witrak 5y ago

This part o the discussion is not on facts but opinions. You seem to allow guilhas to express highly arguable opinions but at the same time don't allow a (no less justified) opinion about guilhas.

olliej 5y ago

They repeatedly call the Russian invasion of Crimea a civil war, they claim that Russia has a right to further invade the rest of Ukraine due to Ukraine attempt to resist an invasion, they have been repeatedly documented deliberately targeting civilian structures (here's a hint: civilian housing in cities, childr cancer hospitals, etc are not military targets). They also repeatedly (in the face of direct evidence) claim that Russia "doesn't want a war", just total capitulation and surrender of Ukraine. At best they're a useful patsy, at worst this is their job.