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Agree, But is understandable how NATO troops and ballistic missiles at their doorstep could be a worry for them. Same as USA would not accept if Canada and Mex

Agree, But is understandable how NATO troops and ballistic missiles at their doorstep could be a worry for them. Same as USA would not accept if Canada and Mexico joined some kind of Russian defence union, as we still remember from the 'Cuban missile crises' And we also still remember US/UK/EU... invaded and bombed Iraq, Libya and Syria and demanded their leaders to step down. And specially in Syria all US made polls indicated that the population was happy with their leader. All those countries population live in worse conditions today And Ukraine is also in a civil war since 2014 So I would prefer that there was no invasions anywhere, and Ukraine had said no to NATO. But weighting everything I say I am not interested in a world war 3

Imnimo 5y ago
Other countries doing unreasonable things does not make Russia's demands "reasonable".
- guilhas 5y ago
  I am not saying it is reasonable in itself I am saying it does not justify world war 3 It does not justify higher energy prices. It does not justify disenfranchise regular Russians. I don't want to pay for it, I will not fight for it
- sinyug 5y ago
  > Other countries doing unreasonable things Ukraine itself was part of the illegal invasion of Iraq.
  - giveyouareply 5y ago
    Are we rambling unrelated points of history now? "Pol Pot and Khmer Rouge had long been supported by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and its chairman, Mao Zedong"
lovich 5y ago
I think you might mean “understandable” when you’re saying “not unreasonable”. Putin/Russia wanting a buffer state between them and nato makes sense, but forcing those people to be a buffer state without their consent isn’t reasonable. For instance, they could have achieved an alliance with Ukraine by offering a better deal than Nato, but they decided to take control via warfare
olliej 5y ago
No. This "Ukraine civil war" bullshit is purely Russian propaganda. The "civil war" is Russia invading Crimea.
witrak 5y ago
> And Ukraine is also in a civil war since 2014 Well, a "civil war" inspired, organized, and supported by "peace-loving" neighboring country, which now tries to "peacefully" topple democratic government just to finish up the job.
- guilhas 5y ago
  The same way US/UK/EU... funded the Syrian civil war, before invading. And fueled "revolutions" in many places including Ukraine
tcmart14 5y ago
I am going to call BS on NATO's threat to Russia. How many wars/conflicts has Russia engaged in without NATO interference? It is time to move on. If Russia doesn't plan to invade NATO territory, the most most NATO will do is criticize actions, not put warheads on foreheads. If anything, this is Putin creating a self fulfilling prophecy. Invade non-NATO members will make non-NATO members want to join NATO. Putin's response is equivalent to screwing for virginity. If Russia refuses to invade NATO territory, then NATO is doing its job. If any country refuses to invade NATO territory because of NATO's strength, NATO is accomplishing its goal. Russian-Georgia War, Donbas/Donetsk, Chechnya, and the most NATO has done is member states providing arms to Ukraine and words of distaste.
- guilhas 5y ago
  Those Russian invasions happened after NATO officially invited those countries to join, so it is not self fulfilling Those countries are right at Russia's border, US other NATO members invading countries thousands of miles away NATO members are by far the biggest aggressors in the world, always in and out of countries, claiming to spread "freedom". The population in all the countries, they intervene, live in worse conditions today. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Kenya, Afghanistan, Uganda, Ethiopia... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bucharest_summit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bucharest_summit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93NATO_relations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93NATO_relatio... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_mili...
thrashh 5y ago
Putin’s decision could make sense if he just got into power and got handed this situation. But he’s been in power for a long time. He created the situation that he is in. Other countries don’t trust Russia and want to join the other side. Thus if you consider the long view, he fucked this one up big time.

Imnimo 5y ago

Other countries doing unreasonable things does not make Russia's demands "reasonable".

guilhas 5y ago
I am not saying it is reasonable in itself I am saying it does not justify world war 3 It does not justify higher energy prices. It does not justify disenfranchise regular Russians. I don't want to pay for it, I will not fight for it
sinyug 5y ago
> Other countries doing unreasonable things Ukraine itself was part of the illegal invasion of Iraq.
- giveyouareply 5y ago
  Are we rambling unrelated points of history now? "Pol Pot and Khmer Rouge had long been supported by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and its chairman, Mao Zedong"

lovich 5y ago

I think you might mean “understandable” when you’re saying “not unreasonable”. Putin/Russia wanting a buffer state between them and nato makes sense, but forcing those people to be a buffer state without their consent isn’t reasonable. For instance, they could have achieved an alliance with Ukraine by offering a better deal than Nato, but they decided to take control via warfare

olliej 5y ago

No. This "Ukraine civil war" bullshit is purely Russian propaganda. The "civil war" is Russia invading Crimea.

witrak 5y ago

> And Ukraine is also in a civil war since 2014 Well, a "civil war" inspired, organized, and supported by "peace-loving" neighboring country, which now tries to "peacefully" topple democratic government just to finish up the job.

guilhas 5y ago
The same way US/UK/EU... funded the Syrian civil war, before invading. And fueled "revolutions" in many places including Ukraine

tcmart14 5y ago

I am going to call BS on NATO's threat to Russia. How many wars/conflicts has Russia engaged in without NATO interference? It is time to move on. If Russia doesn't plan to invade NATO territory, the most most NATO will do is criticize actions, not put warheads on foreheads. If anything, this is Putin creating a self fulfilling prophecy. Invade non-NATO members will make non-NATO members want to join NATO. Putin's response is equivalent to screwing for virginity. If Russia refuses to invade NATO territory, then NATO is doing its job. If any country refuses to invade NATO territory because of NATO's strength, NATO is accomplishing its goal. Russian-Georgia War, Donbas/Donetsk, Chechnya, and the most NATO has done is member states providing arms to Ukraine and words of distaste.

guilhas 5y ago
Those Russian invasions happened after NATO officially invited those countries to join, so it is not self fulfilling Those countries are right at Russia's border, US other NATO members invading countries thousands of miles away NATO members are by far the biggest aggressors in the world, always in and out of countries, claiming to spread "freedom". The population in all the countries, they intervene, live in worse conditions today. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Kenya, Afghanistan, Uganda, Ethiopia... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bucharest_summit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bucharest_summit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93NATO_relations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93NATO_relatio... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_mili...

thrashh 5y ago

Putin’s decision could make sense if he just got into power and got handed this situation. But he’s been in power for a long time. He created the situation that he is in. Other countries don’t trust Russia and want to join the other side. Thus if you consider the long view, he fucked this one up big time.