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So you’re saying that all Russian people should just die horrible death trying to go unarmed against National Guard (the force that exists specifically to beat

So you’re saying that all Russian people should just die horrible death trying to go unarmed against National Guard (the force that exists specifically to beat up and torture protestors)... ...or just be shot trying to illegally cross the border. You’re literally suggesting some sort of self-genocide of 150 million nation.

TameAntelope 5y ago
If you think the most effective way to overthrow the Russian government is to try to go 1 on 1 against the Russian National Guard, you're probably not going to last very long in Russia or anywhere else, for that matter. Same if you think literally doing zero prep work to leave Russia has a high chance of success. If it's your only option, you're not thinking creatively enough. It just seems like you're operating in a state of learned helplessness, which is immensely sad but not the only way to live.
- goldsteinq 5y ago
  Please, do tell me the most effective way to overthrow the Russian government. I’m a member of protest movement since my high school and I assure you that if you have some option none of us are aware of, I’ll carefully consider it. Also please explain what “prep work” can an average Russian with monthly income about $450 can do to sucessfully leave Russia.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    “Stop treating overthrowing your murderous government as your hobby.”, would probably be step one. Until then you’re just cosplaying so you can sleep at night. And it costs nearly nothing to legally cross a border, but yes if the options are, “Continue to live in Russia” or, “Illegally cross a border.” Then break the law.
    - goldsteinq 5y ago
      Your suggestions completely lack any specific actions. What exactly do you think could be done by unarmed and disorganized (because Council of Europe didn’t care when Navalny was jailed despite ECHR decision) Russian people? Please, elaborate on your proposed strategy. Residence of which country you can get without having a lot of money and/or good career like IT specialist? How do you think unarmed person can illegally cross a border guarded by armed people without getting killed?
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        Either my suggestions lack specific action or crossing the border of another country will get you killed. One or the other, not both. And if you don’t know what an insurgency is or how to run one, that’s on you to figure out. It is the only moral option if you’re Russian and want to stay in Russia.
        goldsteinq 5y ago
        Your suggestions about revolution lack any specific actions, your suggestions about immigration are simply way to get killed. “Lol just figure out how to overthrow heavily militarized government” is completely ignoring the obvious truth that this is simply impossible. It was probably possible some years ago with support from abroad, but the only thing international institutions cared about was cheap natural gas and oil, so they ignored violations of international law and treated Putin as a lawful president. So now we have decapitated opposition, silenced media (just today two independent media were banned) and 2% of Russians serving in police and military. It stops any seeds of revolution from ever growing.
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        If you think it's impossible to overthrow the Russian government, then you should leave, and you will not be shot by border guards for illegally trying to leave Russia, that's completely wrong. It sounds like you're comfortable where you are, and need to justify it to yourself that your country is using your consent to commit atrocities that you're ultimately okay with as long as you remain comfortable. That's cowardice.

TameAntelope 5y ago

If you think the most effective way to overthrow the Russian government is to try to go 1 on 1 against the Russian National Guard, you're probably not going to last very long in Russia or anywhere else, for that matter. Same if you think literally doing zero prep work to leave Russia has a high chance of success. If it's your only option, you're not thinking creatively enough. It just seems like you're operating in a state of learned helplessness, which is immensely sad but not the only way to live.

goldsteinq 5y ago
Please, do tell me the most effective way to overthrow the Russian government. I’m a member of protest movement since my high school and I assure you that if you have some option none of us are aware of, I’ll carefully consider it. Also please explain what “prep work” can an average Russian with monthly income about $450 can do to sucessfully leave Russia.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  “Stop treating overthrowing your murderous government as your hobby.”, would probably be step one. Until then you’re just cosplaying so you can sleep at night. And it costs nearly nothing to legally cross a border, but yes if the options are, “Continue to live in Russia” or, “Illegally cross a border.” Then break the law.
  - goldsteinq 5y ago
    Your suggestions completely lack any specific actions. What exactly do you think could be done by unarmed and disorganized (because Council of Europe didn’t care when Navalny was jailed despite ECHR decision) Russian people? Please, elaborate on your proposed strategy. Residence of which country you can get without having a lot of money and/or good career like IT specialist? How do you think unarmed person can illegally cross a border guarded by armed people without getting killed?
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      Either my suggestions lack specific action or crossing the border of another country will get you killed. One or the other, not both. And if you don’t know what an insurgency is or how to run one, that’s on you to figure out. It is the only moral option if you’re Russian and want to stay in Russia.
      - goldsteinq 5y ago
        Your suggestions about revolution lack any specific actions, your suggestions about immigration are simply way to get killed. “Lol just figure out how to overthrow heavily militarized government” is completely ignoring the obvious truth that this is simply impossible. It was probably possible some years ago with support from abroad, but the only thing international institutions cared about was cheap natural gas and oil, so they ignored violations of international law and treated Putin as a lawful president. So now we have decapitated opposition, silenced media (just today two independent media were banned) and 2% of Russians serving in police and military. It stops any seeds of revolution from ever growing.
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        If you think it's impossible to overthrow the Russian government, then you should leave, and you will not be shot by border guards for illegally trying to leave Russia, that's completely wrong. It sounds like you're comfortable where you are, and need to justify it to yourself that your country is using your consent to commit atrocities that you're ultimately okay with as long as you remain comfortable. That's cowardice.