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I don't get the idea about this "metaverse" kind of thing. So it's not a game so there is no gameplay. You just run around in a 3d world which is boring as hell

I don't get the idea about this "metaverse" kind of thing. So it's not a game so there is no gameplay. You just run around in a 3d world which is boring as hell and post pictures on the walls or post some kind of lame animated emote both of which you can do in any messaging app without having the issue that it could not be seen. Some things are imo not suitable as a 3D experience, at least unless it is much, much better than you get with a normal conference call or stream. This is certainly proof of that. I love how this probably sounds like something super cool to executives with little to no technical experience or older office people who aren't into gaming but seriously if I worked for a company that would require me to join such a pointless thing I would most certainly resign from my position on the same day. Stop trying to gamify work, it's work and not a video game. On top of that, it's ridiculously close to look like a kindergarten and I have no understanding why some companies want to treat grown adults as small children. This idea is so bad that it must have come from some woke people that hear the metaverse and go all in on the hype not thinking of if that's actually something people want to do. People who are completely disconnected from the actual society and live in some tech bubble. I'd rather live in a shed in the forest than to run around in a 3D open office space. I am sorry to be so negative, but even if the actual demo could be something cool that could be used for games in the browser this idea deserves criticism.

exodust 5y ago
> "boring as hell" Conference calls can be boring as hell too. I don't get why people stare directly into the camera, mug-shot style for the whole meeting. I place my camera on my second monitor off to the side, and glance over when I'm talking or need to make eye contact. In normal office meetings, people sit around a table, you turn your head or glance around table to speak with people. But in a boring as hell Teams catch-up, everyone is mug-shot fronting each other. When the family cat wanders into the scene, everyone laughs and enjoys it because suddenly the monotone format gained some 3d life. I'm not surprised virtual spaces are being explored. Hubs is at least browser based, and the scene editor too. Open source, self-hostable, easy to use. it ticks a lot of boxes. I was pleased it all worked well in slightly outdated Firefox 88 with adblocker and enhanced tracking on without issue. Sharing images... well, perhaps an artist wants to share their intention for a real exhibition of photos. A virtual space allows the collection to be viewed in a similar manner to the intended real gallery space. Artists ideally like to exhibit bodies of work rather than drip-feeding single images spaced one click apart, each one covered in "share this" junk icons and prompts.
- mbg721 5y ago
  > I don't get why people stare directly into the camera, mug-shot style for the whole meeting. If they look slightly to the side, they see an awkward photograph of their own face, just a little bit too big.
- ecmascript 5y ago
  Sure a conference call can also be boring as hell. If a conference call is boring it probably is because what you are talking about or because of the people in the call, not because you see their faces. You don't actually need video since the audio is the important part. When I game with my friends, I don't usually use the camera and many times on a conference calls I don't have the camera on either. A 3D space would make the conference calls more ineffective in practice since the focus shifts from the actual things you're discussing to something else. You'll also have to force people to join the 3D world and run around to receive the audio. Most certainly, if used in a corporate setting, a lot of the participants will have little to no interest in that 3D world. I picture a large company implementing this and there will be a few people excited while most will hate it. They will be forced to fake interest in order to receive a pay check. I think gamifying work is a bad idea and forcing employees to be in a kindergarten kind of experience is very offensive because in reality this is probably the most likely scenario how 3D meeting spaces will be used in practice. If you want me to game while at work, at least let me pick an actual game and we can talk work at the same time. I am not attacking the tech behind it since it is probably good and strong but the idea of 3D working spaces in a kindergarten experience is a horrible idea in my opinion. For the gallery example, sure maybe it would work in a VR experience which is a lot more immersive but it also adds a lot of clutter from what you're trying to display. I get that there could be a place for it when visiting an IRL gallery is not a viable option. It is all just my personal opinions of course, I recognize that other people may like the idea of living their lives online in a 3D world but personally I prefer the real world. I guess I am just afraid how 3D spaces will be used since I fear it will be forced upon people around the world just like most corporate things like soulless open offices, "voluntary" corporate cringe activities and so on. At the same time you also have to recognize that they probably spent a lot of man hours and money on this rather than actually improving their browser which is lagging behind most others. To me Mozilla seems focused on everything except making their core product something I want to use and support and I am not alone you just need to look at the usage numbers which are so low Firefox is rapidly becoming irrelevant which is incredibly sad.

exodust 5y ago

> "boring as hell" Conference calls can be boring as hell too. I don't get why people stare directly into the camera, mug-shot style for the whole meeting. I place my camera on my second monitor off to the side, and glance over when I'm talking or need to make eye contact. In normal office meetings, people sit around a table, you turn your head or glance around table to speak with people. But in a boring as hell Teams catch-up, everyone is mug-shot fronting each other. When the family cat wanders into the scene, everyone laughs and enjoys it because suddenly the monotone format gained some 3d life. I'm not surprised virtual spaces are being explored. Hubs is at least browser based, and the scene editor too. Open source, self-hostable, easy to use. it ticks a lot of boxes. I was pleased it all worked well in slightly outdated Firefox 88 with adblocker and enhanced tracking on without issue. Sharing images... well, perhaps an artist wants to share their intention for a real exhibition of photos. A virtual space allows the collection to be viewed in a similar manner to the intended real gallery space. Artists ideally like to exhibit bodies of work rather than drip-feeding single images spaced one click apart, each one covered in "share this" junk icons and prompts.

mbg721 5y ago
> I don't get why people stare directly into the camera, mug-shot style for the whole meeting. If they look slightly to the side, they see an awkward photograph of their own face, just a little bit too big.
ecmascript 5y ago
Sure a conference call can also be boring as hell. If a conference call is boring it probably is because what you are talking about or because of the people in the call, not because you see their faces. You don't actually need video since the audio is the important part. When I game with my friends, I don't usually use the camera and many times on a conference calls I don't have the camera on either. A 3D space would make the conference calls more ineffective in practice since the focus shifts from the actual things you're discussing to something else. You'll also have to force people to join the 3D world and run around to receive the audio. Most certainly, if used in a corporate setting, a lot of the participants will have little to no interest in that 3D world. I picture a large company implementing this and there will be a few people excited while most will hate it. They will be forced to fake interest in order to receive a pay check. I think gamifying work is a bad idea and forcing employees to be in a kindergarten kind of experience is very offensive because in reality this is probably the most likely scenario how 3D meeting spaces will be used in practice. If you want me to game while at work, at least let me pick an actual game and we can talk work at the same time. I am not attacking the tech behind it since it is probably good and strong but the idea of 3D working spaces in a kindergarten experience is a horrible idea in my opinion. For the gallery example, sure maybe it would work in a VR experience which is a lot more immersive but it also adds a lot of clutter from what you're trying to display. I get that there could be a place for it when visiting an IRL gallery is not a viable option. It is all just my personal opinions of course, I recognize that other people may like the idea of living their lives online in a 3D world but personally I prefer the real world. I guess I am just afraid how 3D spaces will be used since I fear it will be forced upon people around the world just like most corporate things like soulless open offices, "voluntary" corporate cringe activities and so on. At the same time you also have to recognize that they probably spent a lot of man hours and money on this rather than actually improving their browser which is lagging behind most others. To me Mozilla seems focused on everything except making their core product something I want to use and support and I am not alone you just need to look at the usage numbers which are so low Firefox is rapidly becoming irrelevant which is incredibly sad.