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It depends on what kind of car you buy, an Audi that’s gone 30% over service interval is much different than a Toyota 30% over. Also, this is why you should bu

by _3u10 5y ago

It depends on what kind of car you buy, an Audi that’s gone 30% over service interval is much different than a Toyota 30% over. Also, this is why you should buy high end cars (from a reliable brand) from affluent areas, they are devalued because no one wants them there, and they are well maintained because rich people tend to just take it to the dealer, who will religiously follow the service interval.

itslennysfault 5y ago
Is the claim on this that the Audi can't go 30% over, but the Toyota can? or the other way around. The nicest car I've ever owned is an Acura. Others include Ford, Hyundai, and Honda, and I've been pretty bad at routine maintenance, but I've never had any mechanical issues as a result. Are premium car brands really so fragile? If so why would you recommend buying them if they're less durable? Seems like a rip off to me.
- leetcrew 5y ago
  > Are premium car brands really so fragile? yes and no. german cars tend to have tighter tolerances than your typical economy sedan. they can be very reliable if maintained properly, but they can't take as much neglect as a Corolla. the tradeoff is that, subjectively, they are often more pleasant to drive. bmw would be an exception, being notorious for using plastic parts designed to last only the duration of the first lease.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  > Is the claim on this that the Audi can't go 30% over, but the Toyota can? or the other way around. Yes, but that is kind of an irrelevant claim. There's wildly different engineering and service recommendation ethos between Europe and Japan and it shows. He could have just as easily said Volvo and Nissan and been just as correct but that's not a batting practice pitch over home plate for HN's biases the way <luxury German brand> and <toyota/honda> is.
  - _3u10 5y ago
    Can you point me to a luxury German brand that is as reliable as a Toyota/Lexus or Honda/Acura? Here's some facts to dispell the myth that Toyota/Lexus reliability is HN bias. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-lincoln-the-least/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-th...
    - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
      "Ze Germans" aren't "reliable" by western metrics because that's not something their engineering culture strives for. You're comparing apples to oranges using a scale derived for grapefruit and acting like it's some big accomplishment that the orange wins. If Toyota was trying to build better driving machines than Audi, build to the bottom dollar like Chrysler or cram in new tech gimmicks like Kia they would score similarly in those qualities and in reliability because the tradeoffs are necessarily similiar. All engineers have the same technology and supply chains at their disposal and the same laws of physics to constrain them. The reason Toyota's vehicles are reliable is because they make cars for people who want to pay top dollar for reliable. The reason Audi makes cars that drive great is because they make cars for people who want to pay top dollar for great driving. At the end of the day it's just going to boil down to you a value judgement about which qualities are important.
      - _3u10 5y ago
        The context of the discussion was reliable used cars. If you buy a used Audi you are going to have a lot of problems. That’s what my comment addresses. The driving experience is not that good when the shocks are blown to shit, bearings are spun, or the timing chain inevitably fails and the pistons drive the valves through the head. Also, my 4Runner will smoke most Audis, it has 385,000 kms on it, and I change the oil once or twice a year. I bet most Audis the age and mileage of my 4Runner would start spinning bearings during a spirited drive, and my G35 just runs circles around them. If you’re an idiot buy an Audi, if you’re looking for reliability buy a Toyota if you want a great sports car buy a Corvette. The only reason to buy an Audi is if you’re nostalgic for the Quattro days of rally. I guess if you want to drive an iPhone they aren’t bad. Audis are basically fat, slow and unreliable. (Yes they make some decent cars if you want to pay Z06 prices for Mustang performance with 6.0 powerstroke reliability. Btw I’m German, I have a bit of an idea what the engineering culture is like. It’s basically an engineering circle jerk, anyone can make a big unreliable engine that produces less power in more space than a $300 pushrod LS.
- _3u10 5y ago
  The claim is that Toyota is much more reliable. Yes, they are very fragile, especially if you use them as the "ultimate driving machine" or are expecting "Being Ahead through Technology", if you drive your kids to soccer and follow the maintenance religiously they should last until your lease is up, or you exceed the mileage limit on your lease. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-lincoln-the-least/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-th... BMW should just rebrand to the Ultimate Leasing Machine, as they are very cost effective due to for some reason people wanting used BMW's out of warranty.

by _3u10 5y ago

itslennysfault 5y ago

Is the claim on this that the Audi can't go 30% over, but the Toyota can? or the other way around. The nicest car I've ever owned is an Acura. Others include Ford, Hyundai, and Honda, and I've been pretty bad at routine maintenance, but I've never had any mechanical issues as a result. Are premium car brands really so fragile? If so why would you recommend buying them if they're less durable? Seems like a rip off to me.

leetcrew 5y ago
> Are premium car brands really so fragile? yes and no. german cars tend to have tighter tolerances than your typical economy sedan. they can be very reliable if maintained properly, but they can't take as much neglect as a Corolla. the tradeoff is that, subjectively, they are often more pleasant to drive. bmw would be an exception, being notorious for using plastic parts designed to last only the duration of the first lease.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
> Is the claim on this that the Audi can't go 30% over, but the Toyota can? or the other way around. Yes, but that is kind of an irrelevant claim. There's wildly different engineering and service recommendation ethos between Europe and Japan and it shows. He could have just as easily said Volvo and Nissan and been just as correct but that's not a batting practice pitch over home plate for HN's biases the way <luxury German brand> and <toyota/honda> is.
- _3u10 5y ago
  Can you point me to a luxury German brand that is as reliable as a Toyota/Lexus or Honda/Acura? Here's some facts to dispell the myth that Toyota/Lexus reliability is HN bias. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-lincoln-the-least/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-th...
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    "Ze Germans" aren't "reliable" by western metrics because that's not something their engineering culture strives for. You're comparing apples to oranges using a scale derived for grapefruit and acting like it's some big accomplishment that the orange wins. If Toyota was trying to build better driving machines than Audi, build to the bottom dollar like Chrysler or cram in new tech gimmicks like Kia they would score similarly in those qualities and in reliability because the tradeoffs are necessarily similiar. All engineers have the same technology and supply chains at their disposal and the same laws of physics to constrain them. The reason Toyota's vehicles are reliable is because they make cars for people who want to pay top dollar for reliable. The reason Audi makes cars that drive great is because they make cars for people who want to pay top dollar for great driving. At the end of the day it's just going to boil down to you a value judgement about which qualities are important.
    - _3u10 5y ago
      The context of the discussion was reliable used cars. If you buy a used Audi you are going to have a lot of problems. That’s what my comment addresses. The driving experience is not that good when the shocks are blown to shit, bearings are spun, or the timing chain inevitably fails and the pistons drive the valves through the head. Also, my 4Runner will smoke most Audis, it has 385,000 kms on it, and I change the oil once or twice a year. I bet most Audis the age and mileage of my 4Runner would start spinning bearings during a spirited drive, and my G35 just runs circles around them. If you’re an idiot buy an Audi, if you’re looking for reliability buy a Toyota if you want a great sports car buy a Corvette. The only reason to buy an Audi is if you’re nostalgic for the Quattro days of rally. I guess if you want to drive an iPhone they aren’t bad. Audis are basically fat, slow and unreliable. (Yes they make some decent cars if you want to pay Z06 prices for Mustang performance with 6.0 powerstroke reliability. Btw I’m German, I have a bit of an idea what the engineering culture is like. It’s basically an engineering circle jerk, anyone can make a big unreliable engine that produces less power in more space than a $300 pushrod LS.
_3u10 5y ago
The claim is that Toyota is much more reliable. Yes, they are very fragile, especially if you use them as the "ultimate driving machine" or are expecting "Being Ahead through Technology", if you drive your kids to soccer and follow the maintenance religiously they should last until your lease is up, or you exceed the mileage limit on your lease. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-lincoln-the-least/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-lexus-makes-th... BMW should just rebrand to the Ultimate Leasing Machine, as they are very cost effective due to for some reason people wanting used BMW's out of warranty.