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Maybe let's start with those who are right this very moment killing people in their homes. We can get to the rest later. Right now, bombs are falling.

waffleiron 5y ago
I think the point they are making is that the "get the rest later" never actually ever seems to happen when it comes to the US and EU.
- sinyug 5y ago
  > "get the rest later" never actually ever seems to happen when it comes to the US and EU. This. The neocon-influenced US addiction to spreading freedom and democracy to authoritarian countries has been almost universally deadly to their citizens. While these dictators are bad, it is the unfortunate truth that their brutality helps keep sectarian conflict in check. Look at every place that has had the US gift of democracy forcibly shoved down its throat.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Russia is currently firing on innocent civilians in a sovereign country right now. Explain how what you just said is relevant to that.
    - sinyug 5y ago
      > Russia is currently firing on innocent civilians in a sovereign country right now. Explain how what you just said is relevant to that. According to a multi-decade policy followed by Western countries, that is not a crime.
      - user-the-name 5y ago
      - alxlaz 5y ago
        According to you, is that a crime, or not?
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  It's double standards; the US is guilty of war crimes and has yet to face any consequences or even condemnation. They got away with labeling people as a category putting them outside of the US's own legal system, international law, and the Geneva Convention; oh no they're not enemy soldiers / POWs, they are terrorists, it's Different. That led to them being put in CIA black sites and Gitmo and made them victims of inhumane treatment and routine torture. Some have been incarcerated for twenty years now without trial. The world knows, footage from the humiliation and sexual abuse in gitmo came out years and years ago... and nothing happened. If this was e.g. a central or eastern European country, its leaders would be on trial in The Hague by now.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Sure. But, again. Bombs are falling on innocent people right now. That is more important no matter what.

waffleiron 5y ago

I think the point they are making is that the "get the rest later" never actually ever seems to happen when it comes to the US and EU.

sinyug 5y ago
> "get the rest later" never actually ever seems to happen when it comes to the US and EU. This. The neocon-influenced US addiction to spreading freedom and democracy to authoritarian countries has been almost universally deadly to their citizens. While these dictators are bad, it is the unfortunate truth that their brutality helps keep sectarian conflict in check. Look at every place that has had the US gift of democracy forcibly shoved down its throat.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Russia is currently firing on innocent civilians in a sovereign country right now. Explain how what you just said is relevant to that.
  - sinyug 5y ago
    > Russia is currently firing on innocent civilians in a sovereign country right now. Explain how what you just said is relevant to that. According to a multi-decade policy followed by Western countries, that is not a crime.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
    - alxlaz 5y ago
      According to you, is that a crime, or not?
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
It's double standards; the US is guilty of war crimes and has yet to face any consequences or even condemnation. They got away with labeling people as a category putting them outside of the US's own legal system, international law, and the Geneva Convention; oh no they're not enemy soldiers / POWs, they are terrorists, it's Different. That led to them being put in CIA black sites and Gitmo and made them victims of inhumane treatment and routine torture. Some have been incarcerated for twenty years now without trial. The world knows, footage from the humiliation and sexual abuse in gitmo came out years and years ago... and nothing happened. If this was e.g. a central or eastern European country, its leaders would be on trial in The Hague by now.
user-the-name 5y ago
Sure. But, again. Bombs are falling on innocent people right now. That is more important no matter what.