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If they'd manage to convince other ISP's to drop any BGP sessions with Russia, it probably means a separation of Russian internet from the world, and that would

If they'd manage to convince other ISP's to drop any BGP sessions with Russia, it probably means a separation of Russian internet from the world, and that would probably make more harm than good in the bigger picture.

mdoms 5y ago
I have seen a lot of Russian apologists on HN claim that literally every single proposed non-military intervention "will do more harm than good". Every single one. The fact is that the people of Russia need to feel incredible pressure. Their lives must become incredibly difficult. Unbearable even. It's the cleanest way out of this.
- pjc50 5y ago
  The payment sanctions are hitting hard. The large drop in the value of the rouble will spike living costs. Western-connected Russians can see what's going on. And, of course, let's not forget that (by Ukranian estimates) several thousand Russians have been killed already. They've lost more people than 9/11 to this insanity.
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    And that's with the SWIFT sanctions already being structured in a way to shape the impact towards companies and rich Russians.
- salawat 5y ago
  You really don't get how suddenly having a world actor doing whatever the hell they want with the IP space would play havoc with the rest of the internet? Mmmmkay. Bit much on the blowing up the house to put out the fire. Personally, there are still a few nuts that deserve to flourish over there. SciHub being one of my chief concerns.
  - logifail 5y ago
    > SciHub being one of my chief concerns I am literally in the middle of making another backup of my copy of Scihub, this time to LTO tape.
- the_duke 5y ago
  European countries are also keen to avoid a point of no return. If Russia feels too much pressure and goes into complete isolation from the West there is nothing too lose anymore and the conflict can easily escalate beyond Ukraine. US/Europe want to avoid this due to the huge disruption it would bring economically (gas shortages etc) and the end of any hope for a diplomatic resolution. I'd personally support more measures, but it's not as clear cut as one might assume. We still have to share a continent, and pushing Russia into the arms of China can have huge long lasting ramifications.
- Proven 5y ago

mdoms 5y ago

I have seen a lot of Russian apologists on HN claim that literally every single proposed non-military intervention "will do more harm than good". Every single one. The fact is that the people of Russia need to feel incredible pressure. Their lives must become incredibly difficult. Unbearable even. It's the cleanest way out of this.

pjc50 5y ago
The payment sanctions are hitting hard. The large drop in the value of the rouble will spike living costs. Western-connected Russians can see what's going on. And, of course, let's not forget that (by Ukranian estimates) several thousand Russians have been killed already. They've lost more people than 9/11 to this insanity.
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  And that's with the SWIFT sanctions already being structured in a way to shape the impact towards companies and rich Russians.
salawat 5y ago
You really don't get how suddenly having a world actor doing whatever the hell they want with the IP space would play havoc with the rest of the internet? Mmmmkay. Bit much on the blowing up the house to put out the fire. Personally, there are still a few nuts that deserve to flourish over there. SciHub being one of my chief concerns.
- logifail 5y ago
  > SciHub being one of my chief concerns I am literally in the middle of making another backup of my copy of Scihub, this time to LTO tape.
the_duke 5y ago
European countries are also keen to avoid a point of no return. If Russia feels too much pressure and goes into complete isolation from the West there is nothing too lose anymore and the conflict can easily escalate beyond Ukraine. US/Europe want to avoid this due to the huge disruption it would bring economically (gas shortages etc) and the end of any hope for a diplomatic resolution. I'd personally support more measures, but it's not as clear cut as one might assume. We still have to share a continent, and pushing Russia into the arms of China can have huge long lasting ramifications.
Proven 5y ago