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Out of curiosity, what could RIPE NCC do if it decided not to be neutral and to side with Ukraine? I could imagine it can withdraw all the IPs assigned to Russ
by N19PEDL2 5y ago
Out of curiosity, what could RIPE NCC do if it decided not to be neutral and to side with Ukraine?
I could imagine it can withdraw all the IPs assigned to Russia and Belarus. What would be the consequences if so? Perhaps the collapse of the whole Internet in Russia and Belarus, as ISPs will not be able to provide their services and all websites hosted there will see their URLs being disconnected from their IPs?
- ignaloidas 5y agoIf they'd manage to convince other ISP's to drop any BGP sessions with Russia, it probably means a separation of Russian internet from the world, and that would probably make more harm than good in the bigger picture.
- mdoms 5y agoI have seen a lot of Russian apologists on HN claim that literally every single proposed non-military intervention "will do more harm than good". Every single one. The fact is that the people of Russia need to feel incredible pressure. Their lives must become incredibly difficult. Unbearable even. It's the cleanest way out of this.
- pjc50 5y agoThe payment sanctions are hitting hard. The large drop in the value of the rouble will spike living costs. Western-connected Russians can see what's going on. And, of course, let's not forget that (by Ukranian estimates) several thousand Russians have been killed already. They've lost more people than 9/11 to this insanity.
- formerly_proven 5y agoAnd that's with the SWIFT sanctions already being structured in a way to shape the impact towards companies and rich Russians.
- salawat 5y agoYou really don't get how suddenly having a world actor doing whatever the hell they want with the IP space would play havoc with the rest of the internet? Mmmmkay. Bit much on the blowing up the house to put out the fire. Personally, there are still a few nuts that deserve to flourish over there. SciHub being one of my chief concerns.
- logifail 5y ago> SciHub being one of my chief concerns I am literally in the middle of making another backup of my copy of Scihub, this time to LTO tape.
- the_duke 5y agoEuropean countries are also keen to avoid a point of no return. If Russia feels too much pressure and goes into complete isolation from the West there is nothing too lose anymore and the conflict can easily escalate beyond Ukraine. US/Europe want to avoid this due to the huge disruption it would bring economically (gas shortages etc) and the end of any hope for a diplomatic resolution. I'd personally support more measures, but it's not as clear cut as one might assume. We still have to share a continent, and pushing Russia into the arms of China can have huge long lasting ramifications.
- Proven 5y ago
- xfer 5y agoAs long there are cables connecting them, they will be fine. Whatever RIPE can do to isolate russia can be done by their peering partners, russia might do it themselves.
- the_duke 5y agoWell, no. They would be cut off from other countries/ISPs that drop the BGP routes. But Russia could just allocate IPs as they see fit inside their network and coordinate with friendly countries on routing arrangements. Although things would obviously get difficult for third parties if the IPs are assigned to other entities. It would be a huge disruption though.
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- Fice 5y agoDisruption of the Internet service will be very damaging to Russian anti-war protests.
- virtuallynathan 5y agoRIPE doesn't really have the power to withdraw assigned IPs, the Russian ISPs can just keep announcing them. Perhaps they could break their RPKI data so their prefixes would be dropped as invalid by those checking signatures (I would consider this a misuse of RPKI), but they would still mostly work.