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As an American, I'd rather have a foreign actor spying on me than my own government. The foreign actor has no jurisdiction over me.

by yesbut 5y ago

xamolxix 5y ago
> The foreign actor has no jurisdiction over me. You can be subjected to blackmail and/or other hostile actions from a foreign jurisdiction.
- thih9 5y ago
  Is that more likely than blackmail and/or hostile actions from home jurisdiction?
  - xamolxix 5y ago
    I don't know what the likelihoods of either are but if I had to guess I would say that yes, hostile third countries are more dangerous than my own country. Also, I consider that I would have more recourse against an actor from my own jurisdiction, I think you have pretty much zero recourse against the government of a hostile third country.
- yesbut 5y ago
  I don't trust even my own government. I'm not *more* worried about China messing with me. The NSA has more info on me that could potentially be used against me than Huawei. And I've never once seen a situation where the NSA digs data out of their vault to help exonerate an American on trial.
- deleted 5y ago
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zikduruqe 5y ago
Foreign actor doesn't have to abide by the Fourth Amendment either. They can just show the US whatever they want without a warrant.
- yesbut 5y ago
  The US would still be required to abide by the Fourth Amendment though.
  - TehCorwiz 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
  - webmaven 5y ago
    > The US would still be required to abide by the Fourth Amendment though. Only directly. The Five Eyes and other 'partners' routinely share intelligence with each other that their counterparts would face barriers to collecting.
    - yesbut 5y ago
      So why am I worried about China again?
      - webmaven 5y ago
        I don't know, there are many possible answers. Why ARE you worried about China?
qwertass 5y ago
throwoutway 5y ago
Wait until you want to do some tourism
boringg 5y ago
You haven't thought this one through my friend.
dang 5y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30513500 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30513500.

As an American, I'd rather have a foreign actor spying on me than my own government. The foreign actor has no jurisdiction over me.

by yesbut 5y ago

As an American, I'd rather have a foreign actor spying on me than my own government. The foreign actor has no jurisdiction over me.

xamolxix 5y ago

> The foreign actor has no jurisdiction over me. You can be subjected to blackmail and/or other hostile actions from a foreign jurisdiction.

thih9 5y ago
Is that more likely than blackmail and/or hostile actions from home jurisdiction?
- xamolxix 5y ago
  I don't know what the likelihoods of either are but if I had to guess I would say that yes, hostile third countries are more dangerous than my own country. Also, I consider that I would have more recourse against an actor from my own jurisdiction, I think you have pretty much zero recourse against the government of a hostile third country.
yesbut 5y ago
I don't trust even my own government. I'm not *more* worried about China messing with me. The NSA has more info on me that could potentially be used against me than Huawei. And I've never once seen a situation where the NSA digs data out of their vault to help exonerate an American on trial.
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zikduruqe 5y ago

Foreign actor doesn't have to abide by the Fourth Amendment either. They can just show the US whatever they want without a warrant.

yesbut 5y ago
The US would still be required to abide by the Fourth Amendment though.
- TehCorwiz 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
- webmaven 5y ago
  > The US would still be required to abide by the Fourth Amendment though. Only directly. The Five Eyes and other 'partners' routinely share intelligence with each other that their counterparts would face barriers to collecting.
  - yesbut 5y ago
    So why am I worried about China again?
    - webmaven 5y ago
      I don't know, there are many possible answers. Why ARE you worried about China?

qwertass 5y ago

throwoutway 5y ago

Wait until you want to do some tourism

boringg 5y ago

You haven't thought this one through my friend.

dang 5y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30513500 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30513500.