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The truckers caused disturbances for two weeks while Trudeau's lockdown measures caused disturbances for two years. Living in a country - Sweden - which followe

by Ourgon 5y ago

The truckers caused disturbances for two weeks while Trudeau's lockdown measures caused disturbances for two years. Living in a country - Sweden - which followed a different path for a similar outcome in SARS2-related I can wholeheartedly say I would take the trucker's disturbance over Trudeau's any day. Also, blocking bank accounts of people who donated to those truckers which was not in violation of any law whatsoever? Welcome to the new world. What little trust those people had in societal institutions will have been erased now.

Nursie 5y ago
> Sweden - which followed a different path for a similar outcome Sweden which has around 1.7x the deaths per million as Canada? Canada is not unique in its approach, many countries followed that path. In fact Sweden is definitely the outlier there. Singling out Canada for criticism is disingenuous. > I would take the trucker's disturbance over Trudeau's any day. So? I'd also take two weeks of crap over two years of pandemic. Guess what? We didn't get a choice about there being a pandemic and your comparison is more or less meaningless. > Also, blocking bank accounts of people who donated to those truckers Didn't actually happen. Go have a read about it. One MP said that one constituent called Brianne had complained that they had their account locked, but refused to give further details. The list of donors was leaked by hackers, nobody by the name given by the MP had donated in the area he represented. You speak like everyone who donated had their accounts frozen, but there's no real evidence it happened to even a single individual. > What little trust those people had in societal institutions will have been erased now. Those people that don't exist? You have fallen for right-wing screeching and propaganda, again.
- Ourgon 5y ago
  > Sweden which has around 1.7x the deaths per million as Canada? Also, Sweden which will have far fewer deaths and other damages due to 'collateral damage' from lockdowns. With regard to your claim of bank accounts not having been frozen, that goes against most of the "evidence" I've seen as well as against what the deputy prime minister said [1], as well as against Trudeau's claims. I would think twice before siding with the Trudeau regime, they will not go down in history as an example of Canada's vibrant democratic tradition. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60383385 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60383385
  - Nursie 5y ago
    > Also, Sweden which will have Just you wait! I'll be right in the end! You'll see! LOL. Regardless, as I said, using the example of Sweden (an outlier in policy) to point to Canada as being specifically bad, is fallacious. Maybe Sweden will have a better set of outcomes. That doesn't mean Canada is uniquely bad. Their lockdowns and related covid measures have comparatively middle of the road in global terms. And yes, they froze the accounts of some of the protestors engaged in illegal activities. They did not, as you claimed, freeze donor accounts. The article you linked to doesn't make that claim either, and simply says they would be able to freeze accounts linked to the protest, it doesn't give any more details than that about what actually happened. Given that all your claims have been so hilariously wrong and obviously biased, I don't think I give a **** what you think about the Trudeau 'regime'. The reality is more or less bound to be the exact opposite. You might want to change your media diet a little - right now it's heavy on the right wing talking points and not so good on objectivity.
    - Ourgon 5y ago
      >Just you wait! I'll be right in the end! You'll see! You will. You already can. You actually have been able to see this for more than a year had you only opened your eyes - maybe your mask was in the way? > LOL. Strange sense of humour, considering the damages from those lockdowns: - the National Bureau of Economic Research warned that increases in poverty caused by the lockdowns will cost more than 800,000 lives in the United States over the next 15 years due to higher poverty levels [1] - Suicide rates have jumped dramatically over the past year [2] - Dementia deaths between March and September jumped 13,000 as patients were left with little means of social interaction [3] - San Francisco reported that deaths from drug overdoses exceeded COVID-19 deaths in 2020 [4] - the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 475,000 excess deaths in the U.S. at a time when it was reporting 281,000 coronavirus-related fatalities. The difference is 194,000 additional deaths unexplained by normal mortality and COVID-19 combined [5] All this while the lockdowns had little to no effect [6]. So, take that mask off your eyes and follow your own advice on your "media diet". Follow science instead of The Science™. Also, stop with that stupid "right wing" blather which you probably got from your "media diet" - or do you think countries like Sweden and Denmark are "right wing"? [1] https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28304/w28304.pdf https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28304/w283... [2] https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-pandemic-effect-suicide-heightens.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-pandemic-effect-suici... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/16/coronavirus-dementia-alzheimers-deaths/?arc404=true https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/16/coronavirus... [4] https://fee.org/articles/san-francisco-sees-more-overdose-deaths-than-covid-deaths-in-2020/ https://fee.org/articles/san-francisco-sees-more-overdose-de... [5] https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-covid-19-death-toll-is-even-worse-than-it-looks-11610636840 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-covid-19-death-toll-is-even... [6] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.28.20248936v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.28.20248936v...

by Ourgon 5y ago

Nursie 5y ago

> Sweden - which followed a different path for a similar outcome Sweden which has around 1.7x the deaths per million as Canada? Canada is not unique in its approach, many countries followed that path. In fact Sweden is definitely the outlier there. Singling out Canada for criticism is disingenuous. > I would take the trucker's disturbance over Trudeau's any day. So? I'd also take two weeks of crap over two years of pandemic. Guess what? We didn't get a choice about there being a pandemic and your comparison is more or less meaningless. > Also, blocking bank accounts of people who donated to those truckers Didn't actually happen. Go have a read about it. One MP said that one constituent called Brianne had complained that they had their account locked, but refused to give further details. The list of donors was leaked by hackers, nobody by the name given by the MP had donated in the area he represented. You speak like everyone who donated had their accounts frozen, but there's no real evidence it happened to even a single individual. > What little trust those people had in societal institutions will have been erased now. Those people that don't exist? You have fallen for right-wing screeching and propaganda, again.

Ourgon 5y ago
> Sweden which has around 1.7x the deaths per million as Canada? Also, Sweden which will have far fewer deaths and other damages due to 'collateral damage' from lockdowns. With regard to your claim of bank accounts not having been frozen, that goes against most of the "evidence" I've seen as well as against what the deputy prime minister said [1], as well as against Trudeau's claims. I would think twice before siding with the Trudeau regime, they will not go down in history as an example of Canada's vibrant democratic tradition. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60383385 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60383385
- Nursie 5y ago
  > Also, Sweden which will have Just you wait! I'll be right in the end! You'll see! LOL. Regardless, as I said, using the example of Sweden (an outlier in policy) to point to Canada as being specifically bad, is fallacious. Maybe Sweden will have a better set of outcomes. That doesn't mean Canada is uniquely bad. Their lockdowns and related covid measures have comparatively middle of the road in global terms. And yes, they froze the accounts of some of the protestors engaged in illegal activities. They did not, as you claimed, freeze donor accounts. The article you linked to doesn't make that claim either, and simply says they would be able to freeze accounts linked to the protest, it doesn't give any more details than that about what actually happened. Given that all your claims have been so hilariously wrong and obviously biased, I don't think I give a **** what you think about the Trudeau 'regime'. The reality is more or less bound to be the exact opposite. You might want to change your media diet a little - right now it's heavy on the right wing talking points and not so good on objectivity.
  - Ourgon 5y ago
    >Just you wait! I'll be right in the end! You'll see! You will. You already can. You actually have been able to see this for more than a year had you only opened your eyes - maybe your mask was in the way? > LOL. Strange sense of humour, considering the damages from those lockdowns: - the National Bureau of Economic Research warned that increases in poverty caused by the lockdowns will cost more than 800,000 lives in the United States over the next 15 years due to higher poverty levels [1] - Suicide rates have jumped dramatically over the past year [2] - Dementia deaths between March and September jumped 13,000 as patients were left with little means of social interaction [3] - San Francisco reported that deaths from drug overdoses exceeded COVID-19 deaths in 2020 [4] - the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 475,000 excess deaths in the U.S. at a time when it was reporting 281,000 coronavirus-related fatalities. The difference is 194,000 additional deaths unexplained by normal mortality and COVID-19 combined [5] All this while the lockdowns had little to no effect [6]. So, take that mask off your eyes and follow your own advice on your "media diet". Follow science instead of The Science™. Also, stop with that stupid "right wing" blather which you probably got from your "media diet" - or do you think countries like Sweden and Denmark are "right wing"? [1] https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28304/w28304.pdf https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28304/w283... [2] https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-pandemic-effect-suicide-heightens.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-pandemic-effect-suici... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/16/coronavirus-dementia-alzheimers-deaths/?arc404=true https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/16/coronavirus... [4] https://fee.org/articles/san-francisco-sees-more-overdose-deaths-than-covid-deaths-in-2020/ https://fee.org/articles/san-francisco-sees-more-overdose-de... [5] https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-covid-19-death-toll-is-even-worse-than-it-looks-11610636840 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-covid-19-death-toll-is-even... [6] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.28.20248936v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.28.20248936v...