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Why are you lumping China with the actual invaders? There's the Taiwan mess, and China don't participate in the sanctions regime, but it's not the same thing as

by sofixa 5y ago

Why are you lumping China with the actual invaders? There's the Taiwan mess, and China don't participate in the sanctions regime, but it's not the same thing as actively invading. ( For the record, i think that sanctioning Russia is the morally correct thing to do)

pastrami_panda 5y ago
It's simply because it's way overdue. China does countless things I can't support and for me this was the stick that broke the camel's back.
dspillett 5y ago
While not on top of the news cycle, the continuing un-freeing of Hong Kong, the treatment of the Uyghur population, and likely a number of other things, qualify for pastrami_pasta's “happening right now” description.
intricatedetail 5y ago
They are committing genocide, run concentration camps and forced labour. They actively threat Taiwan. That's more than enough to justify avoiding them.
- mcdonje 5y ago
  They are not committing genocide. https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17 https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17
  - SamBam 5y ago
    You're link is dead. Here [1] is a fairly nuanced take that concludes that most scholars would call what is happening "genocide," particularly due to the forced sterilizations. Regardless of whether it matches everyone's exact definition, it's clearly an atrocity. 1. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/is-china-committing-genocide-against-the-uyghurs-180979490/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/is-china-committing-g...
    - mcdonje 5y ago
      Try this one: https://undocs.org/A/HRC/41/G/17 https://undocs.org/A/HRC/41/G/17 UN representatives didn't characterize the situation as a genocide. Following the 'forced sterilization' link from the article you linked brought me to this one: https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... In there, they say frame it as an attack on minorities, but then they describe it as being applicable to people who already have 3 or more children. They just finished up a 1 child policy for the entire country and the Han majority are still reproducing below replacement levels. There is plenty to disagree with about their policies, but it's not genocide.
GiorgioG 5y ago
China could easily tell Russia to knock it off.
- severino 5y ago
  They can't. Going against Russia means supporting USA, which is currently China's number one enemy.
kalleboo 5y ago
Hong Kong
- rg111 5y ago
  Tibet, too.
  - limoce 5y ago
    Tibet has been already managed by cn gov for more than 80 yrs. Many roads and railways are under construction. I can't see what problem in Tibet.
throwaway4good 5y ago
It seems like some people really wanted a war with China, and are very upset that they got a war with Russia instead.
- CyanBird 5y ago
  Just wait a couple weeks until they get relobotomized by CNN & Friends, then they won't really care about whom they are going to war with so long as they throw enough bombs around
philliphaydon 5y ago
China is currently having about 18 border disputes. Amongst all the non land grabbing stuff they are doing.
- pasabagi 5y ago
  That's ridiculous. Japan has a load of border disputes, and pacifism is literally written into their constitution. Most countries in east asia have them.
  - philliphaydon 5y ago
    Japan claiming a few island is different to China claiming the whole south china sea and expanding its imaginary 9 dash line. So trying to bring Japan into this is just ridiculous.
    - pasabagi 5y ago
      ... The whole point about claiming islands is that they include an EEZ (exclusive economic zone). That's how you claim a 'whole sea'. Of course, the real reason people argue over islands because it gets idiots riled up (Abe and successors depend on the nationalist vote, Xi depends on the nationalist faction, etc) and because geography in the far east is a mess of contradictions, so it's easy to make a plausible claim. Foreign people getting excited over it is like a whole new meta level of stupidity.
      - philliphaydon 5y ago
        Good thing I’m not a foreign people.
spacehunt 5y ago
China refuses to condemn Russia and is towing their "peacekeeping" "denazification" line.
- sofixa 5y ago
  No longer, today they said they'll work for peace and condemn the violence.
  - spacehunt 5y ago
    Nope, as of 7 hours ago China merely "regrets" the violence necessitated by the "legitimate national security claims" of Russia. https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1636556-20220301.htm https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1636556-20220301.h... Do you have a source?
- thih9 5y ago
  I have seen other statements. > Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi deplored the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, calling it a “war” and saying that he is “extremely concerned” about the harm to civilians, his office said in a statement following a call with his Ukrainian counterpart, Dmytro Kuleba. Source: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bloomberg/eu-approves-list-to-cut-seven-banks-off-swift--ukraine-update/47390604 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bloomberg/eu-approves-list-to-c...
  - spacehunt 5y ago
    Unfortunately I think it's a mistranslation. None of the Chinese language media reports him calling it a "war", but instead only a "conflict". Official source disclosing the same call: http://www.gov.cn/guowuyuan/2022-03/01/content_5676356.htm http://www.gov.cn/guowuyuan/2022-03/01/content_5676356.htm

by sofixa 5y ago

pastrami_panda 5y ago

It's simply because it's way overdue. China does countless things I can't support and for me this was the stick that broke the camel's back.

dspillett 5y ago

While not on top of the news cycle, the continuing un-freeing of Hong Kong, the treatment of the Uyghur population, and likely a number of other things, qualify for pastrami_pasta's “happening right now” description.

intricatedetail 5y ago

They are committing genocide, run concentration camps and forced labour. They actively threat Taiwan. That's more than enough to justify avoiding them.

mcdonje 5y ago
They are not committing genocide. https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17 https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17
- SamBam 5y ago
  You're link is dead. Here [1] is a fairly nuanced take that concludes that most scholars would call what is happening "genocide," particularly due to the forced sterilizations. Regardless of whether it matches everyone's exact definition, it's clearly an atrocity. 1. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/is-china-committing-genocide-against-the-uyghurs-180979490/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/is-china-committing-g...
  - mcdonje 5y ago
    Try this one: https://undocs.org/A/HRC/41/G/17 https://undocs.org/A/HRC/41/G/17 UN representatives didn't characterize the situation as a genocide. Following the 'forced sterilization' link from the article you linked brought me to this one: https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... In there, they say frame it as an attack on minorities, but then they describe it as being applicable to people who already have 3 or more children. They just finished up a 1 child policy for the entire country and the Han majority are still reproducing below replacement levels. There is plenty to disagree with about their policies, but it's not genocide.

GiorgioG 5y ago

China could easily tell Russia to knock it off.

severino 5y ago
They can't. Going against Russia means supporting USA, which is currently China's number one enemy.

kalleboo 5y ago

Hong Kong

rg111 5y ago
Tibet, too.
- limoce 5y ago
  Tibet has been already managed by cn gov for more than 80 yrs. Many roads and railways are under construction. I can't see what problem in Tibet.

throwaway4good 5y ago

It seems like some people really wanted a war with China, and are very upset that they got a war with Russia instead.

CyanBird 5y ago
Just wait a couple weeks until they get relobotomized by CNN & Friends, then they won't really care about whom they are going to war with so long as they throw enough bombs around

philliphaydon 5y ago

China is currently having about 18 border disputes. Amongst all the non land grabbing stuff they are doing.

pasabagi 5y ago
That's ridiculous. Japan has a load of border disputes, and pacifism is literally written into their constitution. Most countries in east asia have them.
- philliphaydon 5y ago
  Japan claiming a few island is different to China claiming the whole south china sea and expanding its imaginary 9 dash line. So trying to bring Japan into this is just ridiculous.
  - pasabagi 5y ago
    ... The whole point about claiming islands is that they include an EEZ (exclusive economic zone). That's how you claim a 'whole sea'. Of course, the real reason people argue over islands because it gets idiots riled up (Abe and successors depend on the nationalist vote, Xi depends on the nationalist faction, etc) and because geography in the far east is a mess of contradictions, so it's easy to make a plausible claim. Foreign people getting excited over it is like a whole new meta level of stupidity.
    - philliphaydon 5y ago
      Good thing I’m not a foreign people.

spacehunt 5y ago

China refuses to condemn Russia and is towing their "peacekeeping" "denazification" line.

sofixa 5y ago
No longer, today they said they'll work for peace and condemn the violence.
- spacehunt 5y ago
  Nope, as of 7 hours ago China merely "regrets" the violence necessitated by the "legitimate national security claims" of Russia. https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1636556-20220301.htm https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1636556-20220301.h... Do you have a source?
thih9 5y ago
I have seen other statements. > Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi deplored the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, calling it a “war” and saying that he is “extremely concerned” about the harm to civilians, his office said in a statement following a call with his Ukrainian counterpart, Dmytro Kuleba. Source: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bloomberg/eu-approves-list-to-cut-seven-banks-off-swift--ukraine-update/47390604 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bloomberg/eu-approves-list-to-c...
- spacehunt 5y ago
  Unfortunately I think it's a mistranslation. None of the Chinese language media reports him calling it a "war", but instead only a "conflict". Official source disclosing the same call: http://www.gov.cn/guowuyuan/2022-03/01/content_5676356.htm http://www.gov.cn/guowuyuan/2022-03/01/content_5676356.htm