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With all the events happening right now I find it really hard to justify buying products made in China/Russia/Belarus. This product looks great, but I'll never
by pastrami_panda 5y ago
With all the events happening right now I find it really hard to justify buying products made in China/Russia/Belarus.
This product looks great, but I'll never have a clean conscious knowing my money is by extension financing terrorists.
- sofixa 5y agoWhy are you lumping China with the actual invaders? There's the Taiwan mess, and China don't participate in the sanctions regime, but it's not the same thing as actively invading. ( For the record, i think that sanctioning Russia is the morally correct thing to do)
- pastrami_panda 5y agoIt's simply because it's way overdue. China does countless things I can't support and for me this was the stick that broke the camel's back.
- dspillett 5y agoWhile not on top of the news cycle, the continuing un-freeing of Hong Kong, the treatment of the Uyghur population, and likely a number of other things, qualify for pastrami_pasta's “happening right now” description.
- intricatedetail 5y agoThey are committing genocide, run concentration camps and forced labour. They actively threat Taiwan. That's more than enough to justify avoiding them.
- mcdonje 5y agoThey are not committing genocide. https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17 https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17
- SamBam 5y agoYou're link is dead. Here [1] is a fairly nuanced take that concludes that most scholars would call what is happening "genocide," particularly due to the forced sterilizations. Regardless of whether it matches everyone's exact definition, it's clearly an atrocity. 1. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/is-china-committing-genocide-against-the-uyghurs-180979490/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/is-china-committing-g...
- mcdonje 5y agoTry this one: https://undocs.org/A/HRC/41/G/17 https://undocs.org/A/HRC/41/G/17 UN representatives didn't characterize the situation as a genocide. Following the 'forced sterilization' link from the article you linked brought me to this one: https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... In there, they say frame it as an attack on minorities, but then they describe it as being applicable to people who already have 3 or more children. They just finished up a 1 child policy for the entire country and the Han majority are still reproducing below replacement levels. There is plenty to disagree with about their policies, but it's not genocide.
- GiorgioG 5y agoChina could easily tell Russia to knock it off.
- severino 5y agoThey can't. Going against Russia means supporting USA, which is currently China's number one enemy.
- kalleboo 5y agoHong Kong
- throwaway4good 5y agoIt seems like some people really wanted a war with China, and are very upset that they got a war with Russia instead.
- CyanBird 5y agoJust wait a couple weeks until they get relobotomized by CNN & Friends, then they won't really care about whom they are going to war with so long as they throw enough bombs around
- philliphaydon 5y agoChina is currently having about 18 border disputes. Amongst all the non land grabbing stuff they are doing.
- pasabagi 5y agoThat's ridiculous. Japan has a load of border disputes, and pacifism is literally written into their constitution. Most countries in east asia have them.
- philliphaydon 5y agoJapan claiming a few island is different to China claiming the whole south china sea and expanding its imaginary 9 dash line. So trying to bring Japan into this is just ridiculous.
- pasabagi 5y ago... The whole point about claiming islands is that they include an EEZ (exclusive economic zone). That's how you claim a 'whole sea'. Of course, the real reason people argue over islands because it gets idiots riled up (Abe and successors depend on the nationalist vote, Xi depends on the nationalist faction, etc) and because geography in the far east is a mess of contradictions, so it's easy to make a plausible claim. Foreign people getting excited over it is like a whole new meta level of stupidity.
- philliphaydon 5y agoGood thing I’m not a foreign people.
- spacehunt 5y agoChina refuses to condemn Russia and is towing their "peacekeeping" "denazification" line.
- sofixa 5y agoNo longer, today they said they'll work for peace and condemn the violence.
- spacehunt 5y agoNope, as of 7 hours ago China merely "regrets" the violence necessitated by the "legitimate national security claims" of Russia. https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1636556-20220301.htm https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1636556-20220301.h... Do you have a source?
- thih9 5y agoI have seen other statements. > Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi deplored the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, calling it a “war” and saying that he is “extremely concerned” about the harm to civilians, his office said in a statement following a call with his Ukrainian counterpart, Dmytro Kuleba. Source: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bloomberg/eu-approves-list-to-cut-seven-banks-off-swift--ukraine-update/47390604 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bloomberg/eu-approves-list-to-c...
- spacehunt 5y agoUnfortunately I think it's a mistranslation. None of the Chinese language media reports him calling it a "war", but instead only a "conflict". Official source disclosing the same call: http://www.gov.cn/guowuyuan/2022-03/01/content_5676356.htm http://www.gov.cn/guowuyuan/2022-03/01/content_5676356.htm
- WaxedChewbacca 5y agoI think you have a good notion about not buying Chinese stuff, but that reason doesn't make much sense to me. I've heard people say that the US might have caused the deaths of half a million children in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion; do you buy anything from the US?
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- CyanBird 5y agoNonono, you see these are the good guys, they had good intentions They had good intentions supporting the invasion of Venezuela, or doing/supporting a coup in Brazil and Bolivia They always have good intentions so kind It is just odd why a place with such good intentions would not encourage Ukraine to sign the Minsk 2 agreements, but it was probably just an accident, all bad things such as these are always just accidents, yes, yes, accidents (apologies for polluting HN like so, but the levels of apologia that we have seen on the last few days and the figureheads that have shown themselves back on the public eye is just vomit inducing)
- sschueller 5y agoAnd even though most Americans had nothing to do with it the ones that did are still walking free and will never face the ICC. [1] All I can hope for is that after what is happening now that Russia will face the ICC and the western countries that have committed crimes will also face justice. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr... EDIT: If you are going to down vote me, please explain your position. I don't see how anyone can disagree with war crimes being prosecuted.
- Jtype 5y ago"heard people say", "might have caused" Good thing you're going with the science on this one, or you wouldn't be able to buy anything from anywhere.
- SheinhardtWigCo 5y agoWorse still, Huawei is actively participating in the Uyghur genocide. Leaked documents link Huawei to China’s domestic spying in Xinjiang: https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/14/22834860/huawei-leaked-documents-xinjiang-region-uyghur-facial-recognition-prisons-surveillance https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/14/22834860/huawei-leaked-d... Huawei patent mentions use of Uighur-spotting tech: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55634388 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55634388
- IYasha 5y agoFinally someone pointed to this, thanks! As soon as I became aware that huawei supplies concentration camps, I stopped buying their products.
- subzelo 5y agoI loved products from Huawei and Xiaomi, but also can't justify buying their products since the Uyghur situation.
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- blondie9x 5y agoIt looks like a ripoff of the reMarkable 2 eInk pad. https://remarkable.com/ https://remarkable.com/ I’m surprised Apple or Microsoft hasn’t made an eInk display. Btw what happened to Amazon’s Kindle DX? That was literally the pioneer in the large eInk display space but it disappeared. I miss Kindle DX https://www.amazon.com/Kindle-DX-Wireless-Reader-3G-Global/ https://www.amazon.com/Kindle-DX-Wireless-Reader-3G-Global/
- projektfu 5y agoWhat electronics can you buy that aren’t basically Chinese devices at this point? Raspberry pi has assembly in Wales but parts are sourced normally, from China. I understand the feeling but, just like it’s hard to participate in the modern economy and oppose climate change, it’s hard to boycott China. Really, I’m honestly looking for alternatives, not saying you’re wrong. How do we get out from this situation?
- akvadrako 5y agoI think Samsung mostly avoids producing products in China. https://www.makeuseof.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made/ https://www.makeuseof.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made/
- echelon 5y ago> How do we get out from this situation? Get together with close allies (Europe, Japan, Korea, Australia, etc.) and decide to run afoul of the WTO. Favor domestic and close partners though heavy subsidies. This will upset the global balance of trade, treaties, etc. and will cause international tensions to rise, but it'll have to be done. Build domestic factories in a special economic zone. Staff them with lots of immigrants and provide free education, child support, low cost of living, and a guaranteed path to citizenship. Open the flood gates, because we'll need lots of people. Companies that build these factories get thirty years of 100% tax exemptions. Companies that source from them get lower taxes too. If China complains, cut off the food and energy exports. It's their weakness and they'll step in line. Are there any glaring flaws in this plan?
- coolso 5y agoHuawei is a Chinese corporation. That’s a little different than simply being made there (which companies are finally starting to move away from)
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago> , but I'll never have a clean conscious knowing my money is by extension financing terrorists We should all stop buying American products as well, especially Apples' https://www.theinformation.com/articles/facing-hostile-chinese-authorities-apple-ceo-signed-275-billion-deal-with-them https://www.theinformation.com/articles/facing-hostile-chine... I very much prefer China to any American Corporation
- Tarrosion 5y agoYou prefer China (presumably here we mean the CCP) to any American corporation, because some American companies have done the moral wrong of sometimes folding to the CCP? Seems a bit inside out.
- sdevonoes 5y agoI guess he wanted to be aligned with OP, as in: Russia-Ukraine war => Don't support Russia. America-Afghanistan war => Don't support America.
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago> You prefer China (presumably here we mean the CCP) There only exists one official China on this planet... > because some American companies have done the moral wrong Do we really wanna talk about all the wrong American governments and/or corporations have done in the past 75 years? Or how many resources they depleted while large parts of the World were barely surviving? Are you sure?
- pinephoneguy 5y ago>There only exists one official China on this planet... ROC an PRC agree on that at least.
- Jtype 5y agoYes, go ahead and directly compare the US with China. How many deaths can be directly attributed to each? How free are the citizens of China to criticize the Chinese leadership? The US? Which of the two country's practice organ harvesting? Which of the two country's is practicing ethnic cleansing right now? Is there a single historical event in the US that everyone is in fear of discussing at all? How about talking about Tiananmen square in China? You don't think that China is "depleting resources"? People like you always want to compare historic issues with current issues, when it advances your rabid anti-US rhetoric. The truth of the matter is that times change and people, countries, and industry is doing so much better now. Comparing the US of 75 years ago to the China of today is a dishonest juxtaposition, that both slanders the US and infantilizes China.
- thih9 5y agoI don’t understand; China is not taking part in the “events happening right now” (assuming you mean invasion of Ukraine); the global boycott focuses on Russia (and to a lesser extent on Belarus).
- CyanBird 5y agoHe/she means everything, because he/she cant otherwise verbalize what upsets him/her All the news cycle becomes a tangled mess of "being upset at things", it doesn't really matter if these things are verifiable or not, the broader apparatus benefits either way so long as you become irrationally upset
- thih9 5y agoI think we should make the effort to verbalize things in a precise way. Otherwise this leads to noise/disinformation in general (and in particular it dillutes message to boycott Russia to put pressure on Russia to stop the invasion).
- jbverschoor 5y agoYou've already done that, and keep doing that by using services which rely on oil, electronics, food, etc.
- 1337biz 5y agoI honestly enjoy this line of argument. Reminds me of the meme of a bunch of spidermen pointing guns at each other and shouting "No You" at each other. Tell me what country you are from and I tell you why your products should be banned.
- sschueller 5y agoI hope you don't own any Apple products.
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- pinkpig 5y agoNoting that, Huawei is especially special in these Chinese tech firms. I come from China and I, personnally, shall never buy any Huawei product. This is the compony really makes me disgusting. They advertise their products by tying themselves with Chinese nationalism. I.e., if you do not use Huawei as a Chinese, you betrayed your country. WTF. Their advertising strategy is even undermining the entire Chinese socirty, IMO. If you can endure this, or if you love their propagandas and support Chinese nationalism particularly, order your next Huawei phone or pad or something. Personnally I shall never. BTW, I do consider other Chinese firms. I declare that I do not have any interests with these companies, I'm only a humble consumer, believe it or not.
- tejohnso 5y agoWow, what a political tangent. If your conscience is clean, it's only because of your own convenient ignorance. Financing terrorists is something that is done by all militant empires. It's a pretty basic strategic military tactic. And the more militant the empire is, the more terrorist financing they're engaged in. Overthrowing democratically elected governments is a typical outcome.
- rchaud 5y agoBut you'd buy an iPad right? Chinese factory owners certainly aren't making any money there /s