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I have a different message: Go on the street and take control of your country, before you turn into another North Korea. Ukrainians were able to overthrow thei

I have a different message: Go on the street and take control of your country, before you turn into another North Korea. Ukrainians were able to overthrow their government, and so can you.

sdevonoes 5y ago
> Go on the street and take control of your country, before you turn into another North Korea. So, you are saying that one should risk their life for their country? No, thank you. I never understood this kind of "patriotism".
- risyachka 5y ago
  If they don't - they shouldn't complain that all this shit is on them. Because it is. Without patriotism there would not be a country where you are at now, no matter which one it is.
- willis936 5y ago
  Options: Fight Flight Starve Advocating for fight is reasonable because it has the most benefit but the highest activation energy.
  - pvaldes 5y ago
    Starve is out of the table after Stalin used it as an atrocious instrument for mass genocide of Ucranian (and Russian) people in 1933. They remember and will not commit the same error of being passive with the new Stalin 2.0. As ugly as it sounds, "starve" there means cannibalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
    - willis936 5y ago
      Also, I looked at it more closely and found that Russia has become food self-sufficient in the past decade. This was likely the key fact that emboldened this invasion. The needs of the people will be met even in the event of full insulation. In fact, accelerating insulation may make taking full autocratic control easier. Few would be willing to die for a revolution if their base needs are met. This seems like a bad time to live in Russia.
- cbg0 5y ago
  You should first and foremost be willing to risk your life for your family, loved ones, as well as your children, for which you probably want a good/better future.
- dash2 5y ago
  You may not understand it, but no country has ever become or stayed free without it.
- koonsolo 5y ago
  > one should risk their life for their country? No, I'm saying to risk their life for their freedom, the freedom of their family, the freedom of their children, the freedom of their neighbours.
- lm28469 5y ago
  > for their country I had a discussion about that a few days ago with friends. It's not necessarily "for your country" or "patriotism" it can just be fighting for what you stand for. Sadly what a lot of people stand for these days is living their little comfortable life, as long as war doesn't knock on their door they're fine, but then when it does happen it's too late
  - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
    While I mostly agree with that sentiment, please go look at Russian history. The past 20 years were probably the longest stretch of time when the Russian society was able to live a relatively decent life (by ex-USSR standards, however terrible it is by Western ones) for the past few centuries. That's (I think) is why almost nobody was willing to 'rock the boat', as the Kremlin Führer says. Now everything is going down the toilet and most of the society haven't yet realized whet they're up for. It's easy to criticize others when the worst thing your country has seen is the civil war 300 years ago. Russia went through 3 arguably even more serious events in the past century only. Nobody wanted to risk the little peaceful life they had, and still everything went down the drain.
encryptluks2 5y ago
- koonsolo 5y ago
  US is a democracy. Go vote for the leader you want. Russia is a dictatorship, Belarus is a dictatorship. If you cannot vote with a pen, you'll have to vote with your collective power.
hnhg 5y ago
Didn't work in Syria.
- risyachka 5y ago
  Worked in US, France, Germany and every country in the world - all of them had revolutions and led to the change.
ssijak 5y ago
Are you referring to Viktor Yanukovych in 2014? Honestly, as far as I know, he was democratically elected. Was that not the case?
- koonsolo 5y ago
  Putin too in 2000, no?
  - ssijak 5y ago
    Yes, but did Yanukovych meddle with any elections? (I don't know, honestly asking) Putin is.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  I know of a guy who got democratically elected in Germany a while ago, whom the Germans would have done well to get rid of in a bloody revolution.

I have a different message: Go on the street and take control of your country, before you turn into another North Korea. Ukrainians were able to overthrow their government, and so can you.

sdevonoes 5y ago

> Go on the street and take control of your country, before you turn into another North Korea. So, you are saying that one should risk their life for their country? No, thank you. I never understood this kind of "patriotism".

risyachka 5y ago
If they don't - they shouldn't complain that all this shit is on them. Because it is. Without patriotism there would not be a country where you are at now, no matter which one it is.
willis936 5y ago
Options: Fight Flight Starve Advocating for fight is reasonable because it has the most benefit but the highest activation energy.
- pvaldes 5y ago
  Starve is out of the table after Stalin used it as an atrocious instrument for mass genocide of Ucranian (and Russian) people in 1933. They remember and will not commit the same error of being passive with the new Stalin 2.0. As ugly as it sounds, "starve" there means cannibalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
  - willis936 5y ago
    Also, I looked at it more closely and found that Russia has become food self-sufficient in the past decade. This was likely the key fact that emboldened this invasion. The needs of the people will be met even in the event of full insulation. In fact, accelerating insulation may make taking full autocratic control easier. Few would be willing to die for a revolution if their base needs are met. This seems like a bad time to live in Russia.
cbg0 5y ago
You should first and foremost be willing to risk your life for your family, loved ones, as well as your children, for which you probably want a good/better future.
dash2 5y ago
You may not understand it, but no country has ever become or stayed free without it.
koonsolo 5y ago
> one should risk their life for their country? No, I'm saying to risk their life for their freedom, the freedom of their family, the freedom of their children, the freedom of their neighbours.
lm28469 5y ago
> for their country I had a discussion about that a few days ago with friends. It's not necessarily "for your country" or "patriotism" it can just be fighting for what you stand for. Sadly what a lot of people stand for these days is living their little comfortable life, as long as war doesn't knock on their door they're fine, but then when it does happen it's too late
- 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
  While I mostly agree with that sentiment, please go look at Russian history. The past 20 years were probably the longest stretch of time when the Russian society was able to live a relatively decent life (by ex-USSR standards, however terrible it is by Western ones) for the past few centuries. That's (I think) is why almost nobody was willing to 'rock the boat', as the Kremlin Führer says. Now everything is going down the toilet and most of the society haven't yet realized whet they're up for. It's easy to criticize others when the worst thing your country has seen is the civil war 300 years ago. Russia went through 3 arguably even more serious events in the past century only. Nobody wanted to risk the little peaceful life they had, and still everything went down the drain.

encryptluks2 5y ago

koonsolo 5y ago
US is a democracy. Go vote for the leader you want. Russia is a dictatorship, Belarus is a dictatorship. If you cannot vote with a pen, you'll have to vote with your collective power.

hnhg 5y ago

Didn't work in Syria.

risyachka 5y ago
Worked in US, France, Germany and every country in the world - all of them had revolutions and led to the change.

ssijak 5y ago

Are you referring to Viktor Yanukovych in 2014? Honestly, as far as I know, he was democratically elected. Was that not the case?

koonsolo 5y ago
Putin too in 2000, no?
- ssijak 5y ago
  Yes, but did Yanukovych meddle with any elections? (I don't know, honestly asking) Putin is.
CRConrad 5y ago
I know of a guy who got democratically elected in Germany a while ago, whom the Germans would have done well to get rid of in a bloody revolution.