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You missed the whole period of months of diplomatic communications between EU, China, US, Ukraine and Russia before Russian started the attack. In all those mo

You missed the whole period of months of diplomatic communications between EU, China, US, Ukraine and Russia before Russian started the attack. In all those months it seems that only China and the Winter Olympics really did delay the attack.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
I heard Russia violated a treaty that prohibited any acts of war for a month or so after the end of the special olympics with this. I don't know the consequences to that, but it's probably trivial compared to international sanctions.
- thinkindie 5y ago
  Russia is targeting cities and civil targets, employing bombs that have been banned (cluster bombs), and committing war crimes, I don't think they currently give a damn about the Olympic Truce.
  - throw_a_grenade 5y ago
    Just to correct a minor mistake: cluster bombs are not "banned", there's a treaty signed by some countries which prohibits them, but many countries are not part of that treaty, incl. Russia, Ukraine, Poland and USA for that matter. But you're right that their use against cities full of civilians is wrong, very likely a war crime.
  - ravel-bar-foo 5y ago
    While Russia is committing war crimes, they have not used cluster bombs. AFAIK this claim is based on a report that they were deploying cluster bombs against a civilian mall in Kharkiv. The video shows rapid explosions falling on the mall, but not as rapidly as one would expect to see if cluster bombs were used. Most likely it was Grad (MRLS) missiles. Still likely to be a war crime, but not cluster bombs.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      There are many, many pictures of unexploded submunitions lying around and plenty of videos of their use.
      - ravel-bar-foo 5y ago
        Your comment inspired me to search harder, and I found what I believe to be credible evidence that some of the MRLS missiles targeted at Kharkiv contained cluster munitions. I would retract my above comment.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        NP, there is so much information flowing right now that this sort of thing is very easy to miss.
throwaway2037 5y ago
Zero trolling with reply: You mention China is a list of countries that negotiated with Russia, presumably to avoid an invasion of Ukraine. Honestly, I have not heard anything about this before your post. I tried Googling, but I could not find anything. Can you help to provide at least one good news source to get me started? I am curious to learn more. I also agree that it seems like Putin delayed the invasion after the Winter Olympics. And damn you Putin for invading during the Winter Paralympic Games (Fri 4 Mar to Sun 13 Mar). What a shame. (Side note: I am happy to see each Olympics brings the Paralympic Games more and more into the spotlight. I look forward to the day that events are rightfully held in parallel.)

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

I heard Russia violated a treaty that prohibited any acts of war for a month or so after the end of the special olympics with this. I don't know the consequences to that, but it's probably trivial compared to international sanctions.

thinkindie 5y ago
Russia is targeting cities and civil targets, employing bombs that have been banned (cluster bombs), and committing war crimes, I don't think they currently give a damn about the Olympic Truce.
- throw_a_grenade 5y ago
  Just to correct a minor mistake: cluster bombs are not "banned", there's a treaty signed by some countries which prohibits them, but many countries are not part of that treaty, incl. Russia, Ukraine, Poland and USA for that matter. But you're right that their use against cities full of civilians is wrong, very likely a war crime.
- ravel-bar-foo 5y ago
  While Russia is committing war crimes, they have not used cluster bombs. AFAIK this claim is based on a report that they were deploying cluster bombs against a civilian mall in Kharkiv. The video shows rapid explosions falling on the mall, but not as rapidly as one would expect to see if cluster bombs were used. Most likely it was Grad (MRLS) missiles. Still likely to be a war crime, but not cluster bombs.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    There are many, many pictures of unexploded submunitions lying around and plenty of videos of their use.
    - ravel-bar-foo 5y ago
      Your comment inspired me to search harder, and I found what I believe to be credible evidence that some of the MRLS missiles targeted at Kharkiv contained cluster munitions. I would retract my above comment.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        NP, there is so much information flowing right now that this sort of thing is very easy to miss.

throwaway2037 5y ago

Zero trolling with reply: You mention China is a list of countries that negotiated with Russia, presumably to avoid an invasion of Ukraine. Honestly, I have not heard anything about this before your post. I tried Googling, but I could not find anything. Can you help to provide at least one good news source to get me started? I am curious to learn more. I also agree that it seems like Putin delayed the invasion after the Winter Olympics. And damn you Putin for invading during the Winter Paralympic Games (Fri 4 Mar to Sun 13 Mar). What a shame. (Side note: I am happy to see each Olympics brings the Paralympic Games more and more into the spotlight. I look forward to the day that events are rightfully held in parallel.)