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> Also Milošević died in 2006. Yeah, I guess he stopped existing in 2000 and had nothing to do with the peaceful referendum. > Because it is the same, a terri

> Also Milošević died in 2006. Yeah, I guess he stopped existing in 2000 and had nothing to do with the peaceful referendum. > Because it is the same, a territory within a country decided it wanted to be independent and it is supported by an outside imperial force. How can you believe this? Which part of Ukraine declared independence? What country was supposed to be created out of this independence? Which leaders decided they wanted to create a new independent territory? > I am not sure the same can be said for a lot of EU countries. Well, if your country is in EU, the citizens of EU are not forced to learn any language, even if they live outside of their country of origin. Language requirements for non-EU exist due to EU being an extremely lucrative place to live. Moving to Serbia and trying to hop on social benefits will not be as lucrative, so language requirement for citizenship might be unnecessary. > It guarantees us a seat in the parliament, you just have to pass a laughably low percentage of the general vote. In Croatia and Kosovo, there is no low percentage threshold. You are automatically in. There's no reason to believe the threshold is achievable, given that people in general do not vote.

darebak 5y ago
>How can you believe this? Which part of Ukraine declared independence? Didn't those two breakaway republics declare independence? >Well, if your country is in EU, the citizens of EU are not forced to learn any language, even if they live outside of their country of origin. Language requirements for non-EU exist due to EU being an extremely lucrative place to live. Moving to Serbia and trying to hop on social benefits will not be as lucrative, so language requirement for citizenship might be unnecessary. I am not talking about EU citizens moving to another country, I am talking about minorities living in Serbia. I am a part of minority that lived in the now Serbian territory for over 250 years and there's no legal requirement for us to learn Serbian. You can live your perfectly happy life without it. We have our schools, our communities so learning the Serbian language is not a requisite although most people learn it because it offers some benefits. I found it odd that you thought I was talking about foreigners.
- cleancoder0 5y ago
  > I found it odd that you thought I was talking about foreigners. You mentioned that this cannot be said for a lot of EU countries. Turks born in EU do not have to learn German. Immigration within EU is free from language requirement too. I do not even understand why do you think minorities not learning Serbian is impressive? Croatia and Kosovo both have schools that can use Serbian in their curriculum and no one is forcing Croatian on them. Similar things exist for Czech and Hungarian. No one is forcing these minorities to go to schools to learn Croatian. > Didn't those two breakaway republics declare independence? And were immediately annexed by Russia? How independent is that? Who's the new cultural head of these independent republics?
  - darebak 5y ago
    >You mentioned that this cannot be said for a lot of EU countries. Turks born in EU do not have to learn German. Immigration within EU is free from language requirement too. So Turks in Germany can have schools in Turkish for their children? Do you have a source for this? >I do not even understand why do you think minorities not learning Serbian is impressive? Because language rights are central for the survival of minority communities. >Croatia and Kosovo both have schools that can use Serbian in their curriculum and no one is forcing Croatian on them. Yeah, when they are not being stoned in Kosovo or have their Cyrillic signs smashed in Croatia.
    - alphager 5y ago
      > So Turks in Germany can have schools in Turkish for their children? Do you have a source for this? Sure: https://www.schulentwicklung.nrw.de/materialdatenbank/material/download/3755 https://www.schulentwicklung.nrw.de/materialdatenbank/materi... That's the official lesson plan for non-German lessons in NRW; other German states have similar plans (teaching is devolved to the states in Germany). Notice that this is the plan used in the state-sponsored lessons; private schools are free to use their own plans.
      - tuukkah 5y ago

darebak 5y ago

>How can you believe this? Which part of Ukraine declared independence? Didn't those two breakaway republics declare independence? >Well, if your country is in EU, the citizens of EU are not forced to learn any language, even if they live outside of their country of origin. Language requirements for non-EU exist due to EU being an extremely lucrative place to live. Moving to Serbia and trying to hop on social benefits will not be as lucrative, so language requirement for citizenship might be unnecessary. I am not talking about EU citizens moving to another country, I am talking about minorities living in Serbia. I am a part of minority that lived in the now Serbian territory for over 250 years and there's no legal requirement for us to learn Serbian. You can live your perfectly happy life without it. We have our schools, our communities so learning the Serbian language is not a requisite although most people learn it because it offers some benefits. I found it odd that you thought I was talking about foreigners.

cleancoder0 5y ago
> I found it odd that you thought I was talking about foreigners. You mentioned that this cannot be said for a lot of EU countries. Turks born in EU do not have to learn German. Immigration within EU is free from language requirement too. I do not even understand why do you think minorities not learning Serbian is impressive? Croatia and Kosovo both have schools that can use Serbian in their curriculum and no one is forcing Croatian on them. Similar things exist for Czech and Hungarian. No one is forcing these minorities to go to schools to learn Croatian. > Didn't those two breakaway republics declare independence? And were immediately annexed by Russia? How independent is that? Who's the new cultural head of these independent republics?
- darebak 5y ago
  >You mentioned that this cannot be said for a lot of EU countries. Turks born in EU do not have to learn German. Immigration within EU is free from language requirement too. So Turks in Germany can have schools in Turkish for their children? Do you have a source for this? >I do not even understand why do you think minorities not learning Serbian is impressive? Because language rights are central for the survival of minority communities. >Croatia and Kosovo both have schools that can use Serbian in their curriculum and no one is forcing Croatian on them. Yeah, when they are not being stoned in Kosovo or have their Cyrillic signs smashed in Croatia.
  - alphager 5y ago
    > So Turks in Germany can have schools in Turkish for their children? Do you have a source for this? Sure: https://www.schulentwicklung.nrw.de/materialdatenbank/material/download/3755 https://www.schulentwicklung.nrw.de/materialdatenbank/materi... That's the official lesson plan for non-German lessons in NRW; other German states have similar plans (teaching is devolved to the states in Germany). Notice that this is the plan used in the state-sponsored lessons; private schools are free to use their own plans.
    - tuukkah 5y ago