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> Do you feel this way about American companies as well, or only when convenient? Reply to all those saying this is not whataboutism: The question as posed has
by alangibson 5y ago
> Do you feel this way about American companies as well, or only when convenient?
Reply to all those saying this is not whataboutism: The question as posed has no value and is meant only to obscure the issue at hand.
Here are some critical questions that would have been worth asking:
- Russia has a legitimate gripe against NATO expansion. Why aren't you citizens of Western democracies doing something to keep your governments from expanding?
- Sanctions will hurt average Russians that have no voice in their government. How do you citizens of sanctioning countries justify this?
- US arms makers will make a fortune off of this conflict. Give me one good reason not to tax the revenues at a 100% windfall profit rate.
Dropping the intellectual equivalent of "No, you!" is just lazy.
- 0x138d5 5y agoNot gonna argue on that whataboutism part buuut.... >Russia has a legitimate gripe against NATO expansion. The successor to the occupying CCCP, that did wildly shady stuff all over the Caucasus, invaded Georgia, supported a rebellion in Donbas, annexed Crimea and invaded a corrupt but nonetheless somewhat democratic Ukraine using GRAD strikes against cities has a legitimate gripe over countries WILLINGLY joining a defensive pact. Don't get me wrong, NATOs involvement in MENA was/is pointless and counterproductive, even criminal, but it's a voluntary alliance.
- alangibson 5y ago> legitimate gripe over countries WILLINGLY joining a defensive pact. I will always support self-determination. Ukraine was obviously justified in wanting to join BUT you cannot expect a country that counts casualties in the millions every time it gets invaded to not get its hackles up about a nuclear armed alliance specifically aimed at containing it expanding up to its doorstep. I look forward to seeing Putin on trial in the Hague, but if you're not willing to do a hard-headed logical analysis of the situation then you're doomed to watch history repeat itself in an endless cycle.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> expanding up to its doorstep NATO started out bordering Russia, it hasn't “expanded up to it's doorstep”. Get a map and a list of the original NATO countries.
- alangibson 5y agoHow about "increasing KM of shared borders" which is actually what matters anyway.
- usrusr 5y agoAnd currently Putin is trying to do exactly this, increasing the number of km of shared borders.
- alangibson 5y agoDefinitely not. He's trying to put a neutralized Ukraine and friendly Belarus between Russia and the eastern border of NATO. This is standard practice for Russia. They already succeeded temporarily once with the Warsaw Pact. EDIT: Anyone interested in this topic, search YouTube for Norther European Plain. There are quite a few good videos.
- usrusr 5y agoSo all Putin's claims that Ukraine shouldn't really be a state were just pep talk for the boys sent out to die and he fully intends to continue that "Bolshevik fiction" of a separate Ukrainian state? That's a novel way of calling Putin a liar, haven't heard that one before.
- jacquesm 5y agoThere is some evidence that the 'boys sent out to die' were told they were going on a training exercise.
- namecheapTA 5y agoI cant tell if people are actually unable to see the value in this question, or if pretending it has no value is their way of trying to fight it. Its getting to the point where humans are appearing more bot like than bots. You appear to be completely blind to reality. You think I asked the question to "obscure the issue at hand"? What If I asked the question to make OP think for a second and realize his moral position is random and inconsistent, in hopes that it wakes him up and he stops being a human bot that repeats whatever the last 17 people around him told him to think.