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What the international community needs right now is for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor who is currently conducting an unprovoked invasi

by petre 5y ago

What the international community needs right now is for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor who is currently conducting an unprovoked invasion of a neighbouring country in order to change its democratically elected leadership. Nobody is threatening anyone. It's just how things work out.

rramadass 5y ago
>for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor Absolutely, Categorically False. India is NOT aiding any aggressors but trying to stay neutral in the conflict while taking care of its own people.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  You may have missed, it, for which I can't fault you if that is the case but Putin has threatened first strike use of nuclear weapons, which definitely would impact India in ways that defy description. Whether you like it or not: you have already been affected, how you react to that is up to you.
  - rramadass 5y ago
    That is just posturing by Putin to keep NATO's forces at bay; nobody believes he is that crazy, both the US and UK have dismissed it. However, the US Intel agencies are trying to figure out Putin's state of mind : https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-putin-state-of-mind/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-...
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      That's exactly what they said about Russia invading Ukraine until 7 days ago. "It's just posturing." Look where we are now, the Russian defense minister just said that Kyiv residents should leave while they can. Do you think that is just posturing too? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339
      - rramadass 5y ago
        Dude, Seriously? The threat of Nuclear War is a whole other dimension than any posturing (for a lack of a better word), "Standard" War. Since the consequences will be planet-wide, the checks and balances to prevent Nuclear War are far far more stringent than we "the common public" could know. I am not worried about that. What i am worried about is a protracted War which will lead to innumerable deaths and devastation.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        > The threat of Nuclear War is a whole other dimension than any posturing (for a lack of a better word) You were the one that said it was posturing. Me: "Putin has threatened first strike use of nuclear weapons" You: "That is just posturing by Putin to keep NATO's forces at bay; nobody believes he is that crazy, both the US and UK have dismissed it." If the consensus was that this is an empty threat there would be immediate intervention.
        rramadass 5y ago
        You have misunderstood my comment. What i meant was "posturing for Nuclear War" is different from "posturing for Standard War". The former is of a far more serious "dimension" than the latter and current posturing by Putin on that dimension does not warrant taking it seriously. >If the consensus was that this is an empty threat there would be immediate intervention. I am not clear what you mean here; Joe Biden is already on record saying he does not want American and Russian soldiers shooting at each other since that may lead to WW3. The same goes for the EU countries via the NATO pact.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        Yes, but the alternative is to stand by while a couple of million people are going to be slaughtered and anybody that knows anything about European history knows that that will not stand unopposed. So: whatever Putin does he should do but the world should not be standing by while we're being salamied into non-existance. Remember?: First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... Right now we can stand by and pretend we're not Ukrainians, but the fact is that no longer matters, we are all Ukrainians right now, whether we like it or not. What we do about it is what will set us apart, and sometimes it is better to act and to suffer than not to act. I'm getting the feeling that sentiment in Europe is shifting from inaction to action, and the current troop movements are a reflection of the fact that that is not just public sentiment. Just standing by is being an accomplice. Putin may well see that as a pretext (or even an actual reason) to turn this into a nuclear war, but right at this moment the only thing that stops an incursion by NATO is the fact that Putin has threatened to retaliate with nukes. Do not underestimate the very thin knife edge on which the world is currently balancing.
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by petre 5y ago

rramadass 5y ago

>for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor Absolutely, Categorically False. India is NOT aiding any aggressors but trying to stay neutral in the conflict while taking care of its own people.

jacquesm 5y ago
You may have missed, it, for which I can't fault you if that is the case but Putin has threatened first strike use of nuclear weapons, which definitely would impact India in ways that defy description. Whether you like it or not: you have already been affected, how you react to that is up to you.
- rramadass 5y ago
  That is just posturing by Putin to keep NATO's forces at bay; nobody believes he is that crazy, both the US and UK have dismissed it. However, the US Intel agencies are trying to figure out Putin's state of mind : https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-putin-state-of-mind/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-...
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    That's exactly what they said about Russia invading Ukraine until 7 days ago. "It's just posturing." Look where we are now, the Russian defense minister just said that Kyiv residents should leave while they can. Do you think that is just posturing too? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339
    - rramadass 5y ago
      Dude, Seriously? The threat of Nuclear War is a whole other dimension than any posturing (for a lack of a better word), "Standard" War. Since the consequences will be planet-wide, the checks and balances to prevent Nuclear War are far far more stringent than we "the common public" could know. I am not worried about that. What i am worried about is a protracted War which will lead to innumerable deaths and devastation.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        > The threat of Nuclear War is a whole other dimension than any posturing (for a lack of a better word) You were the one that said it was posturing. Me: "Putin has threatened first strike use of nuclear weapons" You: "That is just posturing by Putin to keep NATO's forces at bay; nobody believes he is that crazy, both the US and UK have dismissed it." If the consensus was that this is an empty threat there would be immediate intervention.
        rramadass 5y ago
        You have misunderstood my comment. What i meant was "posturing for Nuclear War" is different from "posturing for Standard War". The former is of a far more serious "dimension" than the latter and current posturing by Putin on that dimension does not warrant taking it seriously. >If the consensus was that this is an empty threat there would be immediate intervention. I am not clear what you mean here; Joe Biden is already on record saying he does not want American and Russian soldiers shooting at each other since that may lead to WW3. The same goes for the EU countries via the NATO pact.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        Yes, but the alternative is to stand by while a couple of million people are going to be slaughtered and anybody that knows anything about European history knows that that will not stand unopposed. So: whatever Putin does he should do but the world should not be standing by while we're being salamied into non-existance. Remember?: First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... Right now we can stand by and pretend we're not Ukrainians, but the fact is that no longer matters, we are all Ukrainians right now, whether we like it or not. What we do about it is what will set us apart, and sometimes it is better to act and to suffer than not to act. I'm getting the feeling that sentiment in Europe is shifting from inaction to action, and the current troop movements are a reflection of the fact that that is not just public sentiment. Just standing by is being an accomplice. Putin may well see that as a pretext (or even an actual reason) to turn this into a nuclear war, but right at this moment the only thing that stops an incursion by NATO is the fact that Putin has threatened to retaliate with nukes. Do not underestimate the very thin knife edge on which the world is currently balancing.
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