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Yeah, technically it was the head of Yugoslavia that started a war with Slovenia the moment it left the federation (after Croatia left too). Luckily, war lasted

Yeah, technically it was the head of Yugoslavia that started a war with Slovenia the moment it left the federation (after Croatia left too). Luckily, war lasted 10 days. Not Serbia, I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-Day_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-Day_War NATO bombing was not out of the blue. The head of Yugoslavia was a similar mad man (to Putin), just warring out of desperation. The best proof one has of his lunacy is the fact that Montenegro split from Serbia without any deaths. How did this happen? Due to the mad man dying in 2000. I'm pretty sure he would have enacted order by butchering civilians again, inside "his" borders. Serbia is also the only country out of these conflicts that does not guarantee seat in the parliament for the exYugoslav minorities. Even though the leadership displayed aggression that was successfully deflected, the defenders made a deal to guarantee inclusion of the Serbian minority in the parliament (Croatia, Kosovo etc.) Still, we have a country like Germany, that self-flagellates for decades and the sentiment of the majority is quite clear. While the general sentiment of people/press in Serbia is that NATO bombing is equivalent to Putin bombing Ukraine. and yeah, every now and then, the most popular Serbian (Monacoan) tennis player will say things like "Kosovo is Serbia" with complete indifference and still be the Jesus like figure his father makes him out to be.

darebak 5y ago
>NATO bombing was not really out of the blue. The head of Yugoslavia was a similar mad man, just warring out of desperation. Nobody said it was out of the blue, but it was illegal, wrong and plain terrorist like. >The best proof one has of his lunacy is the fact that Montenegro split from Serbia without any issues. How did this happen? Lucikly, the mad man died in 2000. And the best proof of NATO lunacy is that Kosovo declared independence in 2008 because they feared Serbia which at that point wasn't in Kosovo for almost 10 years, during which Kosovar population carried out pogroms of Serbs while the UN forces just watched. Also Milošević died in 2006, never convicted of any war crimes. Later rulings on other people incriminated him but the same can be said for Tuđman. So, I guess if you die early you are not a war criminal. >Serbia is also the only country out of these conflicts that does not guarantee seat in the parliament for the exYugoslav minorities. It guarantees us a seat in the parliament, you just have to pass a laughably low percentage of the general vote. As a minority from Serbia, there's lot of problems in that country but minority representation is not one of them. If I wanted I could go through life without ever using Serbian language, I am not sure the same can be said for a lot of EU countries. >While the general sentiment of people/press in Serbia is that NATO bombing is equivalent to Putin bombing Ukraine. Because it is the same, a territory within a country decided it wanted to be independent and it is supported by an outside imperial force.
- cleancoder0 5y ago
  > Also Milošević died in 2006. Yeah, I guess he stopped existing in 2000 and had nothing to do with the peaceful referendum. > Because it is the same, a territory within a country decided it wanted to be independent and it is supported by an outside imperial force. How can you believe this? Which part of Ukraine declared independence? What country was supposed to be created out of this independence? Which leaders decided they wanted to create a new independent territory? > I am not sure the same can be said for a lot of EU countries. Well, if your country is in EU, the citizens of EU are not forced to learn any language, even if they live outside of their country of origin. Language requirements for non-EU exist due to EU being an extremely lucrative place to live. Moving to Serbia and trying to hop on social benefits will not be as lucrative, so language requirement for citizenship might be unnecessary. > It guarantees us a seat in the parliament, you just have to pass a laughably low percentage of the general vote. In Croatia and Kosovo, there is no low percentage threshold. You are automatically in. There's no reason to believe the threshold is achievable, given that people in general do not vote.
  - darebak 5y ago
    >How can you believe this? Which part of Ukraine declared independence? Didn't those two breakaway republics declare independence? >Well, if your country is in EU, the citizens of EU are not forced to learn any language, even if they live outside of their country of origin. Language requirements for non-EU exist due to EU being an extremely lucrative place to live. Moving to Serbia and trying to hop on social benefits will not be as lucrative, so language requirement for citizenship might be unnecessary. I am not talking about EU citizens moving to another country, I am talking about minorities living in Serbia. I am a part of minority that lived in the now Serbian territory for over 250 years and there's no legal requirement for us to learn Serbian. You can live your perfectly happy life without it. We have our schools, our communities so learning the Serbian language is not a requisite although most people learn it because it offers some benefits. I found it odd that you thought I was talking about foreigners.
    - cleancoder0 5y ago

darebak 5y ago

>NATO bombing was not really out of the blue. The head of Yugoslavia was a similar mad man, just warring out of desperation. Nobody said it was out of the blue, but it was illegal, wrong and plain terrorist like. >The best proof one has of his lunacy is the fact that Montenegro split from Serbia without any issues. How did this happen? Lucikly, the mad man died in 2000. And the best proof of NATO lunacy is that Kosovo declared independence in 2008 because they feared Serbia which at that point wasn't in Kosovo for almost 10 years, during which Kosovar population carried out pogroms of Serbs while the UN forces just watched. Also Milošević died in 2006, never convicted of any war crimes. Later rulings on other people incriminated him but the same can be said for Tuđman. So, I guess if you die early you are not a war criminal. >Serbia is also the only country out of these conflicts that does not guarantee seat in the parliament for the exYugoslav minorities. It guarantees us a seat in the parliament, you just have to pass a laughably low percentage of the general vote. As a minority from Serbia, there's lot of problems in that country but minority representation is not one of them. If I wanted I could go through life without ever using Serbian language, I am not sure the same can be said for a lot of EU countries. >While the general sentiment of people/press in Serbia is that NATO bombing is equivalent to Putin bombing Ukraine. Because it is the same, a territory within a country decided it wanted to be independent and it is supported by an outside imperial force.

cleancoder0 5y ago
> Also Milošević died in 2006. Yeah, I guess he stopped existing in 2000 and had nothing to do with the peaceful referendum. > Because it is the same, a territory within a country decided it wanted to be independent and it is supported by an outside imperial force. How can you believe this? Which part of Ukraine declared independence? What country was supposed to be created out of this independence? Which leaders decided they wanted to create a new independent territory? > I am not sure the same can be said for a lot of EU countries. Well, if your country is in EU, the citizens of EU are not forced to learn any language, even if they live outside of their country of origin. Language requirements for non-EU exist due to EU being an extremely lucrative place to live. Moving to Serbia and trying to hop on social benefits will not be as lucrative, so language requirement for citizenship might be unnecessary. > It guarantees us a seat in the parliament, you just have to pass a laughably low percentage of the general vote. In Croatia and Kosovo, there is no low percentage threshold. You are automatically in. There's no reason to believe the threshold is achievable, given that people in general do not vote.
- darebak 5y ago
  >How can you believe this? Which part of Ukraine declared independence? Didn't those two breakaway republics declare independence? >Well, if your country is in EU, the citizens of EU are not forced to learn any language, even if they live outside of their country of origin. Language requirements for non-EU exist due to EU being an extremely lucrative place to live. Moving to Serbia and trying to hop on social benefits will not be as lucrative, so language requirement for citizenship might be unnecessary. I am not talking about EU citizens moving to another country, I am talking about minorities living in Serbia. I am a part of minority that lived in the now Serbian territory for over 250 years and there's no legal requirement for us to learn Serbian. You can live your perfectly happy life without it. We have our schools, our communities so learning the Serbian language is not a requisite although most people learn it because it offers some benefits. I found it odd that you thought I was talking about foreigners.
  - cleancoder0 5y ago