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GNOME 3.2 Released
- devinmrn 15y agoAnyone else move away from Gnome recently? I've switched to XFCE and find the workflow better adapted to what I'm used to, I gave gnome-shell a month or two before I couldn't take it anymore.
- theatrus2 15y agoI stuck it out with Gnome 2.x on Ubuntu, until I "had" to convert that machine to Windows 7 (for running IAR). Windows 7 is somehow an improvement over Gnome 3.
- devinmrn 15y agoYeah, right now I'm running Windows 7 on my desktop which is used only every now and then and my laptop is running Arch with XFCE. Have you taken a look at the fallback mode on Gnome 3? I tried it and it brought back the features I was used to but just the idea that it was a fallback mode was kinda unappealing, what makes the mode any worse off than gnome-shell?
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- dfc 15y agoWhat is IAR?
- Maxious 15y agoProbably the IAR microcontroller development software http://www.iar.com/ http://www.iar.com/
- jessedhillon 15y agoI recently installed Windows 7 on a machine after using Gnome 3, so I could give it to my parents. This was the first Windows I'd installed since XP, and Windows 7 is downright primitive by comparison. Gnome 3 supports my workflow very well -- one terminal fullscreened, running screen, one workspace for browsers, and one for mail. I'm not sure what the complaints are about it, and to me it's preposterous to say that Windows 7 is an improvement.
- Maxious 15y agoThe window manager in Windows 7 is excellent. Double click a title, make that window maximize. Have a wide screen? Drag one window to the left, one window to the right and you have a split screen. The ALT+TAB on Windows 7 works without using the mouse which is salt in the wounds of GNOME 3 considering you can't do the above mentioned split screening/minimizing. Supposedly alt+` at least does the old GNOME 2 alt+tab behavior but I learned that after converting to XFCE.
- Ideka 15y agoI don't know if you're being sarcastic but Gnome 3 can do everything you mentioned by default.
- aroman 15y agoReally? I've played around with GNOME Shell a few times, but recently I've been seriously considering using it for my laptop because I would like to get the most real-estate-optimized modern GUI possible on there. Right now I'm running Pantheon (elementary project's DE) on one partition and i3 (tiling WM) on another, and neither quite seem to feel right -- the former likely because it's very WIP (granted I'm optimistically biased being a core developer of the project). What specifically have you found advantageous to your workflow with XFCE? What did you miss from GNOME-Shell, and what exactly made you switch?
- devinmrn 15y agoIt seems like gnome-shell is trying to do something new with the way I manage running applications. I also miss being able to switch to workstations using the arrow keys and creating and deleting workstations on the fly messes with my workflow anyway, I usually delegate workspaces to different tasks or projects. XFCE is lightweight and is more in line with how I think. I'm used to a taskbar, application menu, precreated workspaces and icons on the desktop. Could I use gnome-shell for everyday work? Yeah, but I would really be happy with the features above too. I just don't see why I should give up my established workflows.
- orblivion 15y agoFunny, I can't get enough of it. It's rough around the edges probably because I'm running from the Gnome PPA on Ubuntu Natty, but the way it manages windows on multiple desktops is like nothing I've seen. It makes so much more sense. To each their own I suppose. Isn't there an option to go back to the traditional desktop?
- Maxious 15y agoSystem Settings -> System Information -> Graphics -> Forced Fallback Mode Because you totally would look there and not Displays or Screen.
- plaes 15y agoI'm using awesome window manager with basic gnome-session (no panel) which still gives me most of the desktop integration (nm-applet, consolekit, policykit, etc)
- zmalltalker 15y agoMe too. I went back to XFCE after a few months in Gnome 3, and functionality-wise I prefer. I miss the sexiness of gnome-shell, XFCE is pretty bare-bones. With the online accounts in 3.2, I'll probably give it another try.
- dhoe 15y agoI was sceptical, but become enthusiastic to the point of not wanting to miss Gnome Shell anymore once I realized how great it works with keyboard shortcuts. For example: hit the windows key, start typing a couple of letters of the desired application or document, hit enter. Fast, convenient, great.
- jcurbo 15y agoI moved to an xmonad based environment but I still keep a gnome-panel on screen, so it's kind of a hybrid environment.
- rkalla 15y agoUsed gnome-shell on Fedora 15 for a few weeks, loved it but didn't love Fedora. Moved to Ubuntu 11.04 before giving up on Linux and even though I'm not the biggest Unity look-and-feel fan, it has most of the aspects of gnome-shell I like and worked smoothly on my ThinkPad T60 except for hardware volume buttons which was fixed with [1] and slow wireless due to an older kernel which was fixed with [2]. Overall this idea (inspired by Spotlight and I think perfected in Windows Vista by mapping it to a single key) of mapping the Windows key to an auto-focused, system wide search box is fantastic. I really wouldn't want to go back to a system without that keystroke. Gnome using that same structure and taking you to this nice overview/launch panel is a really slick refinement. [1] http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=60945#p379398 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=60945#p3793... [2] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1837729 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1837729
- drivebyacct2 15y agoI'm happy to see 3 shaping up like KDE4. It seems like the rough edges are being ironed out very quickly! I'd love to see the font dialog get more options rather than a simple cosmetic rearrangements. The Mac font chooser dialog is perfect and very compact too.
- jannes 15y agoGNOME core modules now only depend on introspection-based Python bindings (pygobject-3) and hence pygtk, gnome-python and gnome-python-desktop are not required any more. Interesting. I have been out of the loop for a while. Does this mean that existing pygtk applications have to be ported to pygobject-3 or is it a simple "import" change?
- bkor 15y agoThey will still work, but switching to pygobject-3 requires to port the application. There is a script in the pygobject tarball/module which handles most (not all) of the changes.
- kklimonda 15y agoYes, API is not the same (although very similar) so all applications have to be ported. Some of this can be automated (using scripts like http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/tree/pygi-convert.sh http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/tree/pygi-convert.sh) but it has to be done.
- wazoox 15y agoThe "web application" trick is a great idea. I think we may see this idea stolen soon by all major OSes.
- clhodapp 15y agoThis type of functionality is already supported by on Windows, OS X, and, of course Linux-based systems through Chrome, Firefox, and even IE. I believe that the first way to get this type of functionality was to use Mozilla's Prism project, which has been around since 2007 (though that is just the first that I am thinking of off the top of my head). I never end up finding these sorts of things to be very useful, since I always have a browser open anyway.
- rbanffy 15y agoAnyway, this moves support for web apps into the standard plumbing of the GUI. It's a good thing.
- redacted 15y agoSimilar functionality already exists in OS X, in case anyone is curious: http://ihnatko.com/2011/07/22/making-desktop-webapps-in-lion/ http://ihnatko.com/2011/07/22/making-desktop-webapps-in-lion...
- FlowerPower 15y agoDown to the "ON-OFF" button/switch it still attempts to look like something it will never be, MacOSX. Down.
- Luyt 15y agoThis is indeed an unhealthy trend. The past years nearly all major desktop environments have been adding stuff like window compositing, shadows, translucent windows and other graphics gimmicks which just add bloat, bling-bling and no usability value. In many cases usability even suffered. For example, KDE4 removed a lot of configurability that made KDE3 such a malleable environment. It's fashionable to remove choices from the user and do windowdressing instead. Ever had to drill down the network settings in Windows Vista control panel? As soon as you're past the initial window and at the TCP/IP settings tab, you're suddenly back in Windows XP land with the @#$% tiny list of interfaces, having to use both vertical and horizontal scrollbars, and no way to resize the window, thank you Microsoft. But at least the Start Menu looks like a glossy magazine, and have you seen the translucent taskbar? Wow! That's what we needed!
- thingie 15y agoNo, of course not. Window compositing is a huge usability feature. It made me switch from xmonad to Gnome 3, because it just feels so much faster and responsive. Also, live miniatures are almost necessary (at least for me) while dealing with 5 terminal windows and another 6 emacs frames. And you lose nothing (well, ok, you do, in some cases it can be slower, take few more resources and so on, but that's the case with only some apps, not general). Making compositing and using accelerated video HW the norm is a step forward, not an unhealthy trend.
- rbanffy 15y agoActually, I think I saw those first on iOS. I see every car has a steering wheel. There is nothing wrong with interfaces that appear consistent across manufacturers.
- bkor 15y ago
- Luyt 15y agoI wonder why their showcase features a picture of a DigiNotar certificate [1]. Could it be that DigiNotar was in the news recently? From WikiPedia: "On July 10, 2011, a certificate was issued by DigiNotar's systems for Google by an attacker with access to their systems. This certificate was subsequently used by unknown persons in Iran to conduct a man-in-the-middle attack against Google services. On August 28, 2011, certificate problems were observed on multiple Internet service providers in Iran. The fraudulent certificate was posted on pastebin." ..and that was only the start of a whole chain of events... DigiNotar went bankrupt a few days ago [3]. [1] http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/figures/certificate-viewer.png.en http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/figures/cert... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diginotar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diginotar [3] http://www.diginotar.nl/ http://www.diginotar.nl/
- bkor 15y agoThe screenshot was made when DigiNotar wasn't yet bankcrupt. The reason for using DigiNotar is because of two things: 1) my sense of humour 2) makes it really clear why you might want a certificate viewer. Ok, maybe a 3rd one: Dutch government initially saying they could still be trusted for some certificates. It is not the only screenshot with my sense of humour though
- ugh 15y agoSo, what’s with Linux and margins? I thought they had solved that by now but nope, the margins are still all over the place, inconsistent and visually distracting. I feel this is even more apparent now that they dialed up the margins even more.
- rbanffy 15y agoYou know, everything you see on most GUIs (Gnome is not Linux-only, you know) is themable. If you feel inclined to help the designers make a prettier interface, you can easily find information on how to actually help.
- ugh 15y agoNah, thank you. I think I will rather just continue buying my OS. I’m not really willing to invest more time than just trying it out from time to time nor do I understand why I should be.
- tree_of_item 15y agoSo, to answer your original question, "What's with Linux and margins?": The people who don't like margins don't want to help. Now you know.
- ugh 15y agoSo basically the process of making a free and open OS is – sadly – broken.
- rbanffy 15y agoNot at all. It works fine for me and for all the people who use it and, eventually, make actual, real, contributions to the product. Your opinion has been noted and, if someone cares enough, the problem will be fixed. If nobody cares, it's your problem and yours only: if you don't solve it, nobody will.
- nagnatron 15y agoFinally anti-aliased window corners.
- listic 15y agoWhich Linux distributions are going to use it?
- alperakgun 15y agoI switched to gnome 3 and enjoy it so far on my ubuntu. I also like kde4.6....tried other desktops with pleasure too. ... good to see how bold choices created a diversified spectrum of of linux desktop.