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Even though what you are saying about making people angry and stand up for themselves and democracy is true, it is fairly strange to pretend that leaders in the

Even though what you are saying about making people angry and stand up for themselves and democracy is true, it is fairly strange to pretend that leaders in the USA/EU are sincerely interested in the people of Ukraine. For some reason unknown, Ukrainians believe so which resulted in that atrocious situation where both the US and European countries are not willing to step in and protect Ukraine. Even Zelensky himself had high hopes for that, based on what he said a few days ago.

ytpete 5y ago
> both the US and European countries are not willing to step in and protect Ukraine Both US & EU are lending tremendous support in materials, training (over the past 8 years), and coordinated economic sanctions far beyond what anyone would have predicted. Sounds like Europe is also offering energy grid support soon. What those countries will not do is directly intervene using their own military forces – Ukrainians would have to be crazy to ever expect that. Two nuclear-armed powers in direct conflict on the battlefield = nuclear holocaust. You could say that's merely conventional wisdom based on wargames and other geopolitical assumptions, but... does anyone really want to test that theory??
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
It would be much better for Ukraine to lose war than have NATO involved, for reasons described clearly earlier by experts: modern warfare requires the destruction of enemy's military infrastructure on their territory and the conventional warheads on the radar are indistinguishable from nuclear ones. The moment NATO starts bombing military targets in Russia is the end of our civilization (yes, we have had Russian heroes in the past who already saved our planet, but we can only pray their replacements will be equally reasonable - and even that wouldn't probably work once they realize their country is actually under attack).

ytpete 5y ago

> both the US and European countries are not willing to step in and protect Ukraine Both US & EU are lending tremendous support in materials, training (over the past 8 years), and coordinated economic sanctions far beyond what anyone would have predicted. Sounds like Europe is also offering energy grid support soon. What those countries will not do is directly intervene using their own military forces – Ukrainians would have to be crazy to ever expect that. Two nuclear-armed powers in direct conflict on the battlefield = nuclear holocaust. You could say that's merely conventional wisdom based on wargames and other geopolitical assumptions, but... does anyone really want to test that theory??

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago

It would be much better for Ukraine to lose war than have NATO involved, for reasons described clearly earlier by experts: modern warfare requires the destruction of enemy's military infrastructure on their territory and the conventional warheads on the radar are indistinguishable from nuclear ones. The moment NATO starts bombing military targets in Russia is the end of our civilization (yes, we have had Russian heroes in the past who already saved our planet, but we can only pray their replacements will be equally reasonable - and even that wouldn't probably work once they realize their country is actually under attack).