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There is nothing suggesting that Russia is interested in anything other than Ukraine and everything else is just fear mongering.

watwut 5y ago
That is not how quite a few Polish, Slovak and so on people see it. Slovak president said literally that too. There is nothing absolutely nothing to suggest Russia is interested only in Ukraine in the long term. They will stop only if they have to. Putin arguments about Russian history points toward expansion. Putin arguments about being entitled to Ukraine due to them being forced into USSR or Ukraine not being real nation points toward expansion. Russian recent history is not a history of peaceful trustworthy nation either. --------------------- Edited to add: the material help is not coming there from pure empathy alone. Germany did not provided actual guns able to kill because of them feeling bad for refugees. This was major change against previous policies and cant be explained by "we feel bad for their president after seeing his cool videos". It can be explained only by "we think we have stake in outcome and it matters to us".
- darebak 5y ago
  There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Russia is interested in anything other than Ukraine. Everything else is just fear mongering, atleast Slovak media does that well.
  - watwut 5y ago
    Yeah, they have history of being truth-telling peaceful nation, always happy with what they have /s
    - darebak 5y ago
      What does ethnicity have to do with anything? Nothing even hinted that Russia is interested expanding beyond Ukraine, and not even the whole of Ukraine. So like I've said, it's fear mongering by our politicians to keep people living in fear, it's getting to comical levels now, I get offers for psychological counseling at work due to the Ykrainey situation.
      - watwut 5y ago
        > What does ethnicity have to do with anything? Russia is a nation, why are you taking offense on that statement? It is not an insult. > Nothing even hinted that Russia is interested expanding beyond Ukraine, and not even the whole of Ukraine I mean, except Putin talking about how Ukraine is fake nation that should be part of Russia.
        darebak 5y ago
        It very clearly is an insult against people because of their nationality but I discovered these days that online communities are a lot more accepting of such statements. >I mean, except Putin talking about how Ukraine is fake nation that should be part of Russia. Source?
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Source? first full English transcript I could find: (the English language Kremlin site where it was hosted is nonresponsive, and most major media is just carrying excerpts.) https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/president-putins-full-text-of-february-21-2022-speech-to-the-nation/ https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censor...
        darebak 5y ago
        I can't open it.
        roca 5y ago
        Interesting. I can open it fine. Here's some relevant text: > So, I will start with the fact that modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia or, to be more precise, by Bolshevik, Communist Russia. This process started practically right after the 1917 revolution, and Lenin and his associates did it in a way that was extremely harsh on Russia – by separating, severing what is historically Russian land. Read the whole thing. If you're going to defend Russian policy online you should have a clear idea what you're defending.
  - xorfish 5y ago
    Except the explicit words of the dictator of Russia. There is nothing to contradict the view, that Putin doesn't want to restore the old Tsar or Soviet borders.
    - aa-jv 5y ago
      Which explicit words?
vixen99 5y ago
A little searching casts doubt on that conclusion. "NATO currently holds security dominance in Estonia, but according to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s former top economic adviser, Andrey Illarionov, “Putin has his eyes on eventually reclaiming Estonia”. John Aravosis, “Putin wants Finland, Baltic States, says former top adviser,” http://americablog.com/2014/03/putin-wants-finland-baltic-states-says-former-top-adviser.html http://americablog.com/2014/03/putin-wants-finland-baltic-st...

watwut 5y ago

That is not how quite a few Polish, Slovak and so on people see it. Slovak president said literally that too. There is nothing absolutely nothing to suggest Russia is interested only in Ukraine in the long term. They will stop only if they have to. Putin arguments about Russian history points toward expansion. Putin arguments about being entitled to Ukraine due to them being forced into USSR or Ukraine not being real nation points toward expansion. Russian recent history is not a history of peaceful trustworthy nation either. --------------------- Edited to add: the material help is not coming there from pure empathy alone. Germany did not provided actual guns able to kill because of them feeling bad for refugees. This was major change against previous policies and cant be explained by "we feel bad for their president after seeing his cool videos". It can be explained only by "we think we have stake in outcome and it matters to us".

darebak 5y ago
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Russia is interested in anything other than Ukraine. Everything else is just fear mongering, atleast Slovak media does that well.
- watwut 5y ago
  Yeah, they have history of being truth-telling peaceful nation, always happy with what they have /s
  - darebak 5y ago
    What does ethnicity have to do with anything? Nothing even hinted that Russia is interested expanding beyond Ukraine, and not even the whole of Ukraine. So like I've said, it's fear mongering by our politicians to keep people living in fear, it's getting to comical levels now, I get offers for psychological counseling at work due to the Ykrainey situation.
    - watwut 5y ago
      > What does ethnicity have to do with anything? Russia is a nation, why are you taking offense on that statement? It is not an insult. > Nothing even hinted that Russia is interested expanding beyond Ukraine, and not even the whole of Ukraine I mean, except Putin talking about how Ukraine is fake nation that should be part of Russia.
      - darebak 5y ago
        It very clearly is an insult against people because of their nationality but I discovered these days that online communities are a lot more accepting of such statements. >I mean, except Putin talking about how Ukraine is fake nation that should be part of Russia. Source?
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Source? first full English transcript I could find: (the English language Kremlin site where it was hosted is nonresponsive, and most major media is just carrying excerpts.) https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/president-putins-full-text-of-february-21-2022-speech-to-the-nation/ https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censor...
        darebak 5y ago
        I can't open it.
        roca 5y ago
        Interesting. I can open it fine. Here's some relevant text: > So, I will start with the fact that modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia or, to be more precise, by Bolshevik, Communist Russia. This process started practically right after the 1917 revolution, and Lenin and his associates did it in a way that was extremely harsh on Russia – by separating, severing what is historically Russian land. Read the whole thing. If you're going to defend Russian policy online you should have a clear idea what you're defending.
- xorfish 5y ago
  Except the explicit words of the dictator of Russia. There is nothing to contradict the view, that Putin doesn't want to restore the old Tsar or Soviet borders.
  - aa-jv 5y ago
    Which explicit words?

vixen99 5y ago

A little searching casts doubt on that conclusion. "NATO currently holds security dominance in Estonia, but according to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s former top economic adviser, Andrey Illarionov, “Putin has his eyes on eventually reclaiming Estonia”. John Aravosis, “Putin wants Finland, Baltic States, says former top adviser,” http://americablog.com/2014/03/putin-wants-finland-baltic-states-says-former-top-adviser.html http://americablog.com/2014/03/putin-wants-finland-baltic-st...