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A big difference is that by and large, Ukraine has won the narrative. There are no "Ukrainian artillery: go fuck yourself" stories. There's also no barely veil
by readthenotes1 5y ago
A big difference is that by and large, Ukraine has won the narrative. There are no "Ukrainian artillery: go fuck yourself" stories.
There's also no barely veiled threats by the US that we would nuke Iraq or Afghanistan etc. nor drop the ISS on them.
- darebak 5y agoUkraine has won the narrative in the West because Western countries wanted it that way, it's actually pretty easy to do when you cut out opposing propaganda.
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- tverbeure 5y agoIt's also much easier to do when you're not the one doing the invading.
- darebak 5y agoNot really, that doesn't seem to have that much bearing. I still remember Western news about Serbia during the Kosovo conflict where Serbia was doing basically what Ukraine is doing now.
- nickpp 5y agoSerbia was an aggressor in the Yugoslavian Wars. Ukraine is just defending from an invasion.
- darebak 5y ago
- yywwbbn 5y agoExcept that we’ll never know how much violence would there had been in Donbas had Russia not sent their troops and weapons there back in 2014. And it’s not like Putin cares about the people in the Donbas soo mich that he just had no other choice besides invading the rest Ukraine to protect them. I’m sure that Russia could have pressured Ukraine into allowing some UN supervised referendum in the region if they cared even the tiniest bit about that.
- darebak 5y agoExactly, imperial powers don't care about Albanians, Russians, Ukrainians or whomever, it's naive to think that.
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- jq-r 5y agoWhat a load of whitewashing, relativistic horseshit! Tell me again who leveled Croatian city of Vukovar, who dropped cluster bombs on the civilian population in Zagreb? Whose boots were all over Croatia's eastern territory murdering civilians and pillaging? Yes, it was Serbia's Army, no historical revisionism required. US bombing Serbia was long overdue, and should have happened sooner so the genocidal war started by Serbia would end sooner. The war robbed me of my future, yours probably too, and you're still apologizing the atrocities.
- darebak 5y agoWho started burning books in Cyrillic, firing Serb people from government jobs, fighting in the streets and killing those Croats that were for peace at the start? Whose president refused EC brokering and monetary help but only if Yugoslavia survived? And it was Yugoslavian army that did those things. The fact that you can't see the irony in supporting bombing of independent countries and at the same time not supporting it for those same stated reasons is unbelievable.
- Jataman606 5y agoYou really think the only reason that Ukraine won the narrative is that no one listens to Russian lies?
- darebak 5y agoMostly yes. That's certainly why the Russian narrative won in Russia and Belarus. Propaganda/media is one of the most useful ways to steer a population, it even doesn't have to be particularly good propaganda if its voluminous and exclusive.
- democracy 5y ago>> Mostly yes. That's certainly why the Russian narrative won in Russia and Belarus. There is no more Belarus as a country. It is Russian puppet state with an appointed governor Lukashenko. Occupied by the Russian army at the moment. Those who were against are either in prisons or fled the country. The country is North Korea basically at the moment. Most of the people (~60%) hate Lukashenko and Putin.
- iamshs 5y agoUkraine is being invaded and will come under occupation. Ukrainians are being killed. There is no way Russian propaganda would have held any sway.
- stefan_ 5y agoYes, it was either that or the the dictator of a superpower going on live TV to read off a long prepared "Soviet Union 2.0 manifesto". I wonder which!
- cuteboy19 5y agoLet's not slander the USSR this way. Putin's speech was almost word for word the same as Hitler's Sudetenland speech
- rightbyte 5y agoThere was no official Russian "social media" propaganda videos of the invasion until yesterday. The whole invasion was a limited operation, you know. It was very obvoius. They released a video of helicopter hits, high res artsy photos of destroyed armor, some dude flying a drone over a disabled UA tank zooming out to the Russian tank column and the Snake Island POWs calling home.
- goto11 5y agoUkraine have "won the narrative" because people sympathize with Ukraine in the conflict, not the other way around.
- sorokod 5y agoUkraine is winning the narrative to a large extent because Russia is not present in this particular battle - most likely because it wanted to keep things quite internally.