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I see this "Chinese production + Russian... (I guess just oil) = superior economic system" argument before, but I suspect these people have never opened a histo

by rib3ye 5y ago

I see this "Chinese production + Russian... (I guess just oil) = superior economic system" argument before, but I suspect these people have never opened a history book on Sino-Soviet relations. Because of decades of undermining and backstabbing, the trust between these two societies is pretty close to zero despite "communism". The only thing they really have in common is that they are both autocratic governments, so not exactly beacons of stability and cooperation. So the USD doesn't doesn't have to be the best, just the least worst.

imwillofficial 5y ago
Except this isn’t the case at all. Modern Russia, and Modern China are as tight as ever. Being driven closer by the West.
- Animats 5y ago
  That does not seem to be the case. The leadership of China has been rather quiet the last few days. China Daily is not spouting a pro-Putin line at all. The party line may be to sit this one out.
  - netsharc 5y ago
    It seems like China is in a great position to "buy" Russia: an embarassed Putin can't go to the people who sanctioned him and say "I'm sorry, I was wrong, I'll stop now, can we go back to the way we were before", but when he does retreat after declaring "Mission accomplished!" he can still go to Xi and say "My friend Xi!". Maybe Russians will get AliPay and WeChat in the near future...
    - KptMarchewa 5y ago
      And Xi will squeeze him much harder than he squeezed Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93China_25-year_Cooperation_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93China_25-year_Coo...
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    No. China is playing the long game. They support Russia heavily behind the scenes. Russia and China have their backs against the wall, and have moved back to back, along with Iran and Pakistan.
- rib3ye 5y ago
  The is where I’ll agree with Putin that our deceitful western media is trying to create tension with the east. /s Russia is not even a Top 10 GDP economy.
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    What does that have to do with the west driving China and Russia into each other’s arms?
    - rib3ye 5y ago
      You have to ask what China gets out of it: Why take a risk propping up an untrustworthy neighbor with limited, and shrinking global economic pull?
      - imwillofficial 5y ago
        I don’t know their calculations, but they are without a doubt forging closer ties, and those ties are driven by the west acting counter to both nations interests. If this isn’t obvious you’re either not paying attention, or you are missing key info.
_trampeltier 5y ago
But there are so many people living there .. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeriepieris_circle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeriepieris_circle

by rib3ye 5y ago

imwillofficial 5y ago

Except this isn’t the case at all. Modern Russia, and Modern China are as tight as ever. Being driven closer by the West.

Animats 5y ago
That does not seem to be the case. The leadership of China has been rather quiet the last few days. China Daily is not spouting a pro-Putin line at all. The party line may be to sit this one out.
- netsharc 5y ago
  It seems like China is in a great position to "buy" Russia: an embarassed Putin can't go to the people who sanctioned him and say "I'm sorry, I was wrong, I'll stop now, can we go back to the way we were before", but when he does retreat after declaring "Mission accomplished!" he can still go to Xi and say "My friend Xi!". Maybe Russians will get AliPay and WeChat in the near future...
  - KptMarchewa 5y ago
    And Xi will squeeze him much harder than he squeezed Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93China_25-year_Cooperation_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93China_25-year_Coo...
- imwillofficial 5y ago
  No. China is playing the long game. They support Russia heavily behind the scenes. Russia and China have their backs against the wall, and have moved back to back, along with Iran and Pakistan.
rib3ye 5y ago
The is where I’ll agree with Putin that our deceitful western media is trying to create tension with the east. /s Russia is not even a Top 10 GDP economy.
- imwillofficial 5y ago
  What does that have to do with the west driving China and Russia into each other’s arms?
  - rib3ye 5y ago
    You have to ask what China gets out of it: Why take a risk propping up an untrustworthy neighbor with limited, and shrinking global economic pull?
    - imwillofficial 5y ago
      I don’t know their calculations, but they are without a doubt forging closer ties, and those ties are driven by the west acting counter to both nations interests. If this isn’t obvious you’re either not paying attention, or you are missing key info.

_trampeltier 5y ago

But there are so many people living there .. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeriepieris_circle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeriepieris_circle