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> Apart from these measures, I will be sending a separate request to RIPE NCC asking to withdraw the right to use all IPv4 and IPv6 addresses by all Russian mem
by Shank 5y ago
> Apart from these measures, I will be sending a separate request to RIPE NCC asking to withdraw the right to use all IPv4 and IPv6 addresses by all Russian members of RIPE NCC (LIRs - Local Internet Registries), and to block the DNS root servers that it is operating.
I can't help but think that this is a bit detrimental to average citizens. Am I reading this right? Wouldn't this essentially split the internet at Russia, and/or completely destroy the internet in Russia, by deallocating all IPs?
- selcuka 5y agoThe point of sanctions is to be detrimental to average citizens (aka voters) so that they can put pressure on Putin. This suggestion has several other issues though.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoThat's why sanctions are unjust.
- jessehattabaugh 5y agoYou'd rather we bomb them instead?
- CryptoPunk 5y agoMaybe punishing the innocent with sanctions is necessary, or the lesser of two evils, but it is still an injustice. Maybe Putin thinks the injustice being visited upon the people of Ukraine is a necessary evil as well. But now we're just arguing what evils can be justified, and what cannot.
- j16sdiz 5y agoCan we justify the inaction? Sometimes we just have to choose one way or the other and pray it wont go too wrong.
- foobarbecue 5y agoFalse dichotomy.
- frabbit 5y agoBombing comes after you have tried starving them or preventing medical supplies getting in. If you have further questions about these points please see what happened to the Iraqi women and children (and yes, also men). Great minds and moral leaders like Madeleine Albright[0] will provide you with a shining beacon of purifying truth. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright#Deaths_by_sanctions_against_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright#Deaths_by_s...
- marco_yolo 5y agomaybe in some cases but not if the said country is actively engaged in military action. by allowing Putin the resources to wage war the citizens are unwittingly and now that war is raging wittingly complicit.
- gruez 5y ago>The point of sanctions is to be detrimental to average citizens (aka voters) so that they can put pressure on Putin. This presumes fair and open elections
- ruined 5y agono, it presumes power exists by the grace of popular support, or at least a lack of motivated opposition. this often coincides with but is by no means restricted to elections.
- daxuak 5y ago> the grace of popular support For people to deprive the government of the popular support however, they have to vote with their life and everything. Look at Hong Kong. Look at Arab Spring. Look at Tiananmen Massacre. (They all ended up in vain, too.) It's not some kind of natural process that will just happen.
- daxuak 5y agoEven if there is rebelion at the end of the tunnel, right now it's just meaningless, endless suffering which also provokes extreme nationalism that the war can feed on. Also, if anyone think it is acceptable to torture average, perhaps actively anti-war citizens to achieve the goal, I can only wish that you get the one chance in a lifetime to experience what it means and takes to survive in an authoritarian country and try making yourself a hero. I'm not Russian but let me put it this way: it is not about your life to sacrifice or your own fear to overcome. Your whole family and friends, they are all on the stake and the cops or whatever will absolutely go after them to break you. Or they do it for fun. They really do.