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> India is poised to be the next "manufacturing hub" of the World Not after this or at least not with Western investments.

by petre 5y ago

jelliclesfarm 5y ago
Right. Good luck alienating India with threats and sanctions. I think the west needs India more than India needs western investments.
- petre 5y ago
  What the international community needs right now is for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor who is currently conducting an unprovoked invasion of a neighbouring country in order to change its democratically elected leadership. Nobody is threatening anyone. It's just how things work out.
  - rramadass 5y ago
    >for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor Absolutely, Categorically False. India is NOT aiding any aggressors but trying to stay neutral in the conflict while taking care of its own people.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      You may have missed, it, for which I can't fault you if that is the case but Putin has threatened first strike use of nuclear weapons, which definitely would impact India in ways that defy description. Whether you like it or not: you have already been affected, how you react to that is up to you.
      - rramadass 5y ago
        That is just posturing by Putin to keep NATO's forces at bay; nobody believes he is that crazy, both the US and UK have dismissed it. However, the US Intel agencies are trying to figure out Putin's state of mind : https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-putin-state-of-mind/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-...
        jacquesm 5y ago
        That's exactly what they said about Russia invading Ukraine until 7 days ago. "It's just posturing." Look where we are now, the Russian defense minister just said that Kyiv residents should leave while they can. Do you think that is just posturing too? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339
        rramadass 5y ago
        Dude, Seriously? The threat of Nuclear War is a whole other dimension than any posturing (for a lack of a better word), "Standard" War. Since the consequences will be planet-wide, the checks and balances to prevent Nuclear War are far far more stringent than we "the common public" could know. I am not worried about that. What i am worried about is a protracted War which will lead to innumerable deaths and devastation.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        > The threat of Nuclear War is a whole other dimension than any posturing (for a lack of a better word) You were the one that said it was posturing. Me: "Putin has threatened first strike use of nuclear weapons" You: "That is just posturing by Putin to keep NATO's forces at bay; nobody believes he is that crazy, both the US and UK have dismissed it." If the consensus was that this is an empty threat there would be immediate intervention.
        rramadass 5y ago
        You have misunderstood my comment. What i meant was "posturing for Nuclear War" is different from "posturing for Standard War". The former is of a far more serious "dimension" than the latter and current posturing by Putin on that dimension does not warrant taking it seriously. >If the consensus was that this is an empty threat there would be immediate intervention. I am not clear what you mean here; Joe Biden is already on record saying he does not want American and Russian soldiers shooting at each other since that may lead to WW3. The same goes for the EU countries via the NATO pact.
rramadass 5y ago
No quite true. Long-term investments are not done based on knee-jerk reactions to events when this actor (i.e. India) is not even involved in those events. Given China's belligerence/assertiveness against "Western Interests", India is the only safe and logical choice available today.
- petre 5y ago
  China is currently very cautious in their stance. The West have given them a wonderful opportunity to buy Russian resources for cheap. They also have investments in Ukraine, in agriculture. It's very likely that Russia's economy will be quite dependent on China in the following years, just like Kazahstan and Mongolia are today. This is a golden oportunity for China and they are a lot more pragmatic and smarter than India not to openly aid Russia right now. They'll buy their stuff later and cheaper after Russia defaults on its debts due to Putin's war in Ukraine while also doing business as usual with the West.

> India is poised to be the next "manufacturing hub" of the World Not after this or at least not with Western investments.

by petre 5y ago

> India is poised to be the next "manufacturing hub" of the World Not after this or at least not with Western investments.

jelliclesfarm 5y ago

Right. Good luck alienating India with threats and sanctions. I think the west needs India more than India needs western investments.

petre 5y ago
What the international community needs right now is for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor who is currently conducting an unprovoked invasion of a neighbouring country in order to change its democratically elected leadership. Nobody is threatening anyone. It's just how things work out.
- rramadass 5y ago
  >for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor Absolutely, Categorically False. India is NOT aiding any aggressors but trying to stay neutral in the conflict while taking care of its own people.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    You may have missed, it, for which I can't fault you if that is the case but Putin has threatened first strike use of nuclear weapons, which definitely would impact India in ways that defy description. Whether you like it or not: you have already been affected, how you react to that is up to you.
    - rramadass 5y ago
      That is just posturing by Putin to keep NATO's forces at bay; nobody believes he is that crazy, both the US and UK have dismissed it. However, the US Intel agencies are trying to figure out Putin's state of mind : https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-putin-state-of-mind/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-...
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        That's exactly what they said about Russia invading Ukraine until 7 days ago. "It's just posturing." Look where we are now, the Russian defense minister just said that Kyiv residents should leave while they can. Do you think that is just posturing too? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339
        rramadass 5y ago
        Dude, Seriously? The threat of Nuclear War is a whole other dimension than any posturing (for a lack of a better word), "Standard" War. Since the consequences will be planet-wide, the checks and balances to prevent Nuclear War are far far more stringent than we "the common public" could know. I am not worried about that. What i am worried about is a protracted War which will lead to innumerable deaths and devastation.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        > The threat of Nuclear War is a whole other dimension than any posturing (for a lack of a better word) You were the one that said it was posturing. Me: "Putin has threatened first strike use of nuclear weapons" You: "That is just posturing by Putin to keep NATO's forces at bay; nobody believes he is that crazy, both the US and UK have dismissed it." If the consensus was that this is an empty threat there would be immediate intervention.
        rramadass 5y ago
        You have misunderstood my comment. What i meant was "posturing for Nuclear War" is different from "posturing for Standard War". The former is of a far more serious "dimension" than the latter and current posturing by Putin on that dimension does not warrant taking it seriously. >If the consensus was that this is an empty threat there would be immediate intervention. I am not clear what you mean here; Joe Biden is already on record saying he does not want American and Russian soldiers shooting at each other since that may lead to WW3. The same goes for the EU countries via the NATO pact.

rramadass 5y ago

No quite true. Long-term investments are not done based on knee-jerk reactions to events when this actor (i.e. India) is not even involved in those events. Given China's belligerence/assertiveness against "Western Interests", India is the only safe and logical choice available today.

petre 5y ago
China is currently very cautious in their stance. The West have given them a wonderful opportunity to buy Russian resources for cheap. They also have investments in Ukraine, in agriculture. It's very likely that Russia's economy will be quite dependent on China in the following years, just like Kazahstan and Mongolia are today. This is a golden oportunity for China and they are a lot more pragmatic and smarter than India not to openly aid Russia right now. They'll buy their stuff later and cheaper after Russia defaults on its debts due to Putin's war in Ukraine while also doing business as usual with the West.