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This is the only way out for India given that it is now caught between a rock and a hard place. The mess created by US/EU/Russia/Ukraine is their problem and c

This is the only way out for India given that it is now caught between a rock and a hard place. The mess created by US/EU/Russia/Ukraine is their problem and cannot be allowed to affect the Indian Economy and People. You created your problems and hence solve them yourself. India has always been a responsible international player (has the World forgotten how India supplied it with Covid vaccines without stockpiling for itself which led to it suffering from a horrendous 2nd wave?) and if sanctions are imposed on India, things will go "further south" in the World. India is poised to be the next "manufacturing hub" of the World (with China now playing hardball) and it is to the World's advantage that they do not do anything to hurt India's economy in particular; the "Farming Sector" is sacrosanct (more than 50% labour employment - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_India#Sectors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_India#Sectors). For those interested, Wikipedia as usual is a good starting point to understand "Indian Economy" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_India

petre 5y ago
> India is poised to be the next "manufacturing hub" of the World Not after this or at least not with Western investments.
- jelliclesfarm 5y ago
  Right. Good luck alienating India with threats and sanctions. I think the west needs India more than India needs western investments.
  - petre 5y ago
    What the international community needs right now is for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor who is currently conducting an unprovoked invasion of a neighbouring country in order to change its democratically elected leadership. Nobody is threatening anyone. It's just how things work out.
    - rramadass 5y ago
      >for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor Absolutely, Categorically False. India is NOT aiding any aggressors but trying to stay neutral in the conflict while taking care of its own people.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        You may have missed, it, for which I can't fault you if that is the case but Putin has threatened first strike use of nuclear weapons, which definitely would impact India in ways that defy description. Whether you like it or not: you have already been affected, how you react to that is up to you.
        rramadass 5y ago
        That is just posturing by Putin to keep NATO's forces at bay; nobody believes he is that crazy, both the US and UK have dismissed it. However, the US Intel agencies are trying to figure out Putin's state of mind : https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-putin-state-of-mind/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-...
        jacquesm 5y ago
        That's exactly what they said about Russia invading Ukraine until 7 days ago. "It's just posturing." Look where we are now, the Russian defense minister just said that Kyiv residents should leave while they can. Do you think that is just posturing too? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339
        rramadass 5y ago
        Dude, Seriously? The threat of Nuclear War is a whole other dimension than any posturing (for a lack of a better word), "Standard" War. Since the consequences will be planet-wide, the checks and balances to prevent Nuclear War are far far more stringent than we "the common public" could know. I am not worried about that. What i am worried about is a protracted War which will lead to innumerable deaths and devastation.
- rramadass 5y ago
  No quite true. Long-term investments are not done based on knee-jerk reactions to events when this actor (i.e. India) is not even involved in those events. Given China's belligerence/assertiveness against "Western Interests", India is the only safe and logical choice available today.
  - petre 5y ago
    China is currently very cautious in their stance. The West have given them a wonderful opportunity to buy Russian resources for cheap. They also have investments in Ukraine, in agriculture. It's very likely that Russia's economy will be quite dependent on China in the following years, just like Kazahstan and Mongolia are today. This is a golden oportunity for China and they are a lot more pragmatic and smarter than India not to openly aid Russia right now. They'll buy their stuff later and cheaper after Russia defaults on its debts due to Putin's war in Ukraine while also doing business as usual with the West.
throwaway_4ever 5y ago
> The mess created by US/EU/Russia/Ukraine is their problem and cannot be allowed to affect the Indian Economy Despicably, blatantly, selfish. US/EU have been burning money trying to help millions of people in severe trouble of being destroyed by weapons. You think Indians should care more about their own money. History won't be kind.
- rramadass 5y ago
  This has nothing to do with "Selfishness" but everything to do with "Self-Preservation". I hope you understand the distinction between the two. Given our huge population and agrarian-based economy there is no other option. India is following the proper strategic and diplomatic path. It has good relations with both Russia and Ukraine and has even been approached to mediate between the two (https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/ukraine-requests-pm-modi-to-intervene-and-hold-talks-with-russian-president-vladimir-putin-to-end-military-operation/ https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/ukraine-requests-pm-modi-to-...). It is already sending Medicines and Humanitarian Assistance to Ukraine (https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-will-send-humanitarian-assistance-to-ukraine-ministry-of-external-affairs/article65095023.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-will-send-human...). Diplomatic efforts via back channels are ongoing. Coming to the current mess, Ukraine is being used as a pawn in a "proxy war" between NATO and Russia. The US/EU are fully to blame for pushing Russia against a wall resulting in the current invasion. Here is Henry Kissinger himself after the Ukraine crisis in 2014 - https://cnnbc.com/henry-kissinger-on-ukraine https://cnnbc.com/henry-kissinger-on-ukraine What he feared has come true today. In summary, Geopolitics involves overall Strategy achieved by a set of Tactics all in the service of Self-Preservation.
  - throwaway_4ever 5y ago
    > The US/EU are fully to blame for pushing Russia against a wall resulting in the current invasion. "fully". This isn't even supported by your Kissinger article for starters. "Russia and the West, and least of all the various factions in Ukraine, have not acted on this principle. Each has made the situation worse." L. Honestly, a geopolitical view that puts 100% blame on NATO for a Ukrainian invasion and civilian murder is nothing more than Kremlin regurgitation. It's rich you're lecturing on geopolitics with that kind of black and white view that can't even backup their statements with their sources. Have you ever considered why would Russia be afraid of a NATO attack on Russia, when NATO won't even defend an atrocious invasion of another country, Ukraine? Good luck squaring that cognitive dissonance. Remember, Ukrainian civilians in their cities are dying by Russian rockets right this moment. https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1498544825062375434 https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1498544825062375434 Who do you want to help? The rest of the world is watching your government with shame. If you don't stand up to tyranny, there's not going to be anyone standing up for tyranny happening against you. Slava Ukraini

petre 5y ago

> India is poised to be the next "manufacturing hub" of the World Not after this or at least not with Western investments.

jelliclesfarm 5y ago
Right. Good luck alienating India with threats and sanctions. I think the west needs India more than India needs western investments.
- petre 5y ago
  What the international community needs right now is for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor who is currently conducting an unprovoked invasion of a neighbouring country in order to change its democratically elected leadership. Nobody is threatening anyone. It's just how things work out.
  - rramadass 5y ago
    >for India to act responsibly instead of aiding an aggressor Absolutely, Categorically False. India is NOT aiding any aggressors but trying to stay neutral in the conflict while taking care of its own people.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      You may have missed, it, for which I can't fault you if that is the case but Putin has threatened first strike use of nuclear weapons, which definitely would impact India in ways that defy description. Whether you like it or not: you have already been affected, how you react to that is up to you.
      - rramadass 5y ago
        That is just posturing by Putin to keep NATO's forces at bay; nobody believes he is that crazy, both the US and UK have dismissed it. However, the US Intel agencies are trying to figure out Putin's state of mind : https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-putin-state-of-mind/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/us-intelligence-...
        jacquesm 5y ago
        That's exactly what they said about Russia invading Ukraine until 7 days ago. "It's just posturing." Look where we are now, the Russian defense minister just said that Kyiv residents should leave while they can. Do you think that is just posturing too? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30514339
        rramadass 5y ago
        Dude, Seriously? The threat of Nuclear War is a whole other dimension than any posturing (for a lack of a better word), "Standard" War. Since the consequences will be planet-wide, the checks and balances to prevent Nuclear War are far far more stringent than we "the common public" could know. I am not worried about that. What i am worried about is a protracted War which will lead to innumerable deaths and devastation.
rramadass 5y ago
No quite true. Long-term investments are not done based on knee-jerk reactions to events when this actor (i.e. India) is not even involved in those events. Given China's belligerence/assertiveness against "Western Interests", India is the only safe and logical choice available today.
- petre 5y ago
  China is currently very cautious in their stance. The West have given them a wonderful opportunity to buy Russian resources for cheap. They also have investments in Ukraine, in agriculture. It's very likely that Russia's economy will be quite dependent on China in the following years, just like Kazahstan and Mongolia are today. This is a golden oportunity for China and they are a lot more pragmatic and smarter than India not to openly aid Russia right now. They'll buy their stuff later and cheaper after Russia defaults on its debts due to Putin's war in Ukraine while also doing business as usual with the West.

throwaway_4ever 5y ago

> The mess created by US/EU/Russia/Ukraine is their problem and cannot be allowed to affect the Indian Economy Despicably, blatantly, selfish. US/EU have been burning money trying to help millions of people in severe trouble of being destroyed by weapons. You think Indians should care more about their own money. History won't be kind.

rramadass 5y ago
This has nothing to do with "Selfishness" but everything to do with "Self-Preservation". I hope you understand the distinction between the two. Given our huge population and agrarian-based economy there is no other option. India is following the proper strategic and diplomatic path. It has good relations with both Russia and Ukraine and has even been approached to mediate between the two (https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/ukraine-requests-pm-modi-to-intervene-and-hold-talks-with-russian-president-vladimir-putin-to-end-military-operation/ https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/ukraine-requests-pm-modi-to-...). It is already sending Medicines and Humanitarian Assistance to Ukraine (https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-will-send-humanitarian-assistance-to-ukraine-ministry-of-external-affairs/article65095023.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-will-send-human...). Diplomatic efforts via back channels are ongoing. Coming to the current mess, Ukraine is being used as a pawn in a "proxy war" between NATO and Russia. The US/EU are fully to blame for pushing Russia against a wall resulting in the current invasion. Here is Henry Kissinger himself after the Ukraine crisis in 2014 - https://cnnbc.com/henry-kissinger-on-ukraine https://cnnbc.com/henry-kissinger-on-ukraine What he feared has come true today. In summary, Geopolitics involves overall Strategy achieved by a set of Tactics all in the service of Self-Preservation.
- throwaway_4ever 5y ago
  > The US/EU are fully to blame for pushing Russia against a wall resulting in the current invasion. "fully". This isn't even supported by your Kissinger article for starters. "Russia and the West, and least of all the various factions in Ukraine, have not acted on this principle. Each has made the situation worse." L. Honestly, a geopolitical view that puts 100% blame on NATO for a Ukrainian invasion and civilian murder is nothing more than Kremlin regurgitation. It's rich you're lecturing on geopolitics with that kind of black and white view that can't even backup their statements with their sources. Have you ever considered why would Russia be afraid of a NATO attack on Russia, when NATO won't even defend an atrocious invasion of another country, Ukraine? Good luck squaring that cognitive dissonance. Remember, Ukrainian civilians in their cities are dying by Russian rockets right this moment. https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1498544825062375434 https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1498544825062375434 Who do you want to help? The rest of the world is watching your government with shame. If you don't stand up to tyranny, there's not going to be anyone standing up for tyranny happening against you. Slava Ukraini