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Estimated 6 k. Of 144 million in ~60 cities. That's 100/ city. I'm not so sure about the claim "sheer scale of protesting". We are a IT forum and I would thin

Estimated 6 k. Of 144 million in ~60 cities. That's 100/ city. I'm not so sure about the claim "sheer scale of protesting". We are a IT forum and I would think that the overlapping demographics with 'us' is more aware than the other 99,9% that isn't reading here. Please don't misread my comment. There are multiple reasons why people won't dare to protest too, outside of being ill informed ( eg. Rural areas only using TV, according to what I read).

steve_adams_86 5y ago
I’m not sure if you misread my comment but I said the “sheer scale of people jailed for protesting”. Maybe I’m wrong too, but I think 100 people per city is absolutely crazy. I’m not sure 100 people have ever been jailed in my city in under a week, ever. Otherwise I agree, I think we’re more or less on the same page.
- 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
  It's not "100 per city". The vast majority was jailed in Moscow (population about 13 million) and SPb (about 5.5 million). It's really not that much for a heavily authoritarian regime in war time. https://ovdinfo.org https://ovdinfo.org
  - steve_adams_86 5y ago
    Of course, you're right. I suppose the question is if "not that much" should be a contextual matter or not. Should people ever be jailed for protesting a war? Is it any better if previous leaders would have responded more harshly, or were they simply worse leaders? In any case I find it disturbing.
    - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
      It's a bad wording on my part. I haven't been sleeping much lately. What I tried to say is my Russian friends are shocked about how little the population is willing to do then their Führer is killing their (literally) brothers, pushing the country towards complete isolation and (possibly) WW3.
      - steve_adams_86 5y ago
        Oh, that’s an interesting question too though. I’ve wondered if protesting would be a frightening prospect for Russians. Do you think that’s possible? Here in Canada I’d say protesting has been relatively safe for generations. In Russia, dissent has been punished many times over. Should they be protesting more right now, or are there real personal risks attached? I honestly don’t know, but I try not to judge too much.
        5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
        No, it's definitely not safe. People get picked off the streets (3-4 riot cops against each one), brutally beaten (not all, but many), and thrown in jail for a few hours to a few days. Some lose their jobs after that. Some even lose their jobs for posting anti-war comments on the internet: https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/03/01/iavnoe-neuvazhenie-k-obshchestvu-i-gosudarstvu-rf https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/03/01/iavnoe-neuvazhen... Here's another example — an 80 year old lady was picked off the street and thrown in jail with the rest of them. Twice: https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/02/27/v-avtozake-kollektiv-byl-chudnyi https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/02/27/v-avtozake-kolle... What's ironic here is she was born in besieged Stalingrad in 1942. Think about it: they've jailed a siege survivor from the Great Patriotic War which they are so proud of for standing peacefully at an anti-war protest. You can look up the latest arrest figures on https://ovdinfo.org https://ovdinfo.org. It's not official info, but is the best we have. A new law is currently being fast-tracked through Duma which will allow the state to throw people in prison for up to 20 years for literally any anti-war activity, including peaceful protests. The country is very close to what it was like in Stalin times, back in 1930s.
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  I don't think the amount of people arrested in Russia can be compared to your city. I've seen eg. A report for a woman being arrested for having a blank protest sign. That's insane. If that's the base for comparison for arrest. I don't think 100 is a lot. But in general, I think we are in agreement outside of that. Yeah

steve_adams_86 5y ago

I’m not sure if you misread my comment but I said the “sheer scale of people jailed for protesting”. Maybe I’m wrong too, but I think 100 people per city is absolutely crazy. I’m not sure 100 people have ever been jailed in my city in under a week, ever. Otherwise I agree, I think we’re more or less on the same page.

5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
It's not "100 per city". The vast majority was jailed in Moscow (population about 13 million) and SPb (about 5.5 million). It's really not that much for a heavily authoritarian regime in war time. https://ovdinfo.org https://ovdinfo.org
- steve_adams_86 5y ago
  Of course, you're right. I suppose the question is if "not that much" should be a contextual matter or not. Should people ever be jailed for protesting a war? Is it any better if previous leaders would have responded more harshly, or were they simply worse leaders? In any case I find it disturbing.
  - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
    It's a bad wording on my part. I haven't been sleeping much lately. What I tried to say is my Russian friends are shocked about how little the population is willing to do then their Führer is killing their (literally) brothers, pushing the country towards complete isolation and (possibly) WW3.
    - steve_adams_86 5y ago
      Oh, that’s an interesting question too though. I’ve wondered if protesting would be a frightening prospect for Russians. Do you think that’s possible? Here in Canada I’d say protesting has been relatively safe for generations. In Russia, dissent has been punished many times over. Should they be protesting more right now, or are there real personal risks attached? I honestly don’t know, but I try not to judge too much.
      - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
        No, it's definitely not safe. People get picked off the streets (3-4 riot cops against each one), brutally beaten (not all, but many), and thrown in jail for a few hours to a few days. Some lose their jobs after that. Some even lose their jobs for posting anti-war comments on the internet: https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/03/01/iavnoe-neuvazhenie-k-obshchestvu-i-gosudarstvu-rf https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/03/01/iavnoe-neuvazhen... Here's another example — an 80 year old lady was picked off the street and thrown in jail with the rest of them. Twice: https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/02/27/v-avtozake-kollektiv-byl-chudnyi https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/02/27/v-avtozake-kolle... What's ironic here is she was born in besieged Stalingrad in 1942. Think about it: they've jailed a siege survivor from the Great Patriotic War which they are so proud of for standing peacefully at an anti-war protest. You can look up the latest arrest figures on https://ovdinfo.org https://ovdinfo.org. It's not official info, but is the best we have. A new law is currently being fast-tracked through Duma which will allow the state to throw people in prison for up to 20 years for literally any anti-war activity, including peaceful protests. The country is very close to what it was like in Stalin times, back in 1930s.
NicoJuicy 5y ago
I don't think the amount of people arrested in Russia can be compared to your city. I've seen eg. A report for a woman being arrested for having a blank protest sign. That's insane. If that's the base for comparison for arrest. I don't think 100 is a lot. But in general, I think we are in agreement outside of that. Yeah