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Why? In relative terms, yeah, obviously, but a respiratory virus breakout in a fallout shelter certainly isn’t any less troubling than a respiratory virus break

Why? In relative terms, yeah, obviously, but a respiratory virus breakout in a fallout shelter certainly isn’t any less troubling than a respiratory virus breakout at a workplace or music festival.

kragen 5y ago
A covid outbreak in March 02022, when everyone is already vaccinated and the dominant strain of covid is the omicron strain (which, even without vaccination, is only as fatal as the regular flu instead of an order of magnitude worse), is dramatically less troubling than a covid outbreak six months ago, and it isn't worth mentioning in the context of fallout safety rules, except to say not to worry about covid.
- mattl 5y ago
- tshaddox 5y ago
  I strongly suspect they don’t update these documents every month to keep up to date with different waves. That wouldn’t even make sense for a nation-wide document like this. Most likely these docs just got updated once when COVID first became a big deal, and will be updated again whenever someone decides the pandemic has subsided enough that it doesn’t need to be in these docs.
  - kragen 5y ago
    It says they updated it four days ago
- dev_tty01 5y ago
  Average flu deaths in the U.S. for the last decade are about 35,000 per year. In the U.S., even with vaccines and Omicron, we still had over 70,000 covid deaths in the last 30 days. Given that a typical flu season is 4 to 6 months long, I would say even the last month Covid has been much worse than a typical flu season. So, a covid outbreak in a fallout shelter would still be very difficult in that environment. There will be many older and otherwise immune-compromised people in a crowded shelter who are susceptible to a still highly contagious virus. It is completely reasonable to at least attempt to be cautious in the short term. By the way, "everyone" is not vaccinated. Only 65% of Americans are fully immunized at this point. I'm not saying Covid is the threat it was a year ago, but some prudence is still reasonable.
  - kragen 5y ago
    Hmm, I guess you're right. Still, it doesn't seem like the same order of magnitude risk as fallout, civilizational collapse from nuclear war, or foreign invasion, and it's still much lower than the death rates from previous variants. Presumably the people who aren't vaccinated are the ones who are choosing to take on higher covid risk because they think the vaccination isn't worth it.

Why? In relative terms, yeah, obviously, but a respiratory virus breakout in a fallout shelter certainly isn’t any less troubling than a respiratory virus breakout at a workplace or music festival.

kragen 5y ago

A covid outbreak in March 02022, when everyone is already vaccinated and the dominant strain of covid is the omicron strain (which, even without vaccination, is only as fatal as the regular flu instead of an order of magnitude worse), is dramatically less troubling than a covid outbreak six months ago, and it isn't worth mentioning in the context of fallout safety rules, except to say not to worry about covid.

mattl 5y ago
tshaddox 5y ago
I strongly suspect they don’t update these documents every month to keep up to date with different waves. That wouldn’t even make sense for a nation-wide document like this. Most likely these docs just got updated once when COVID first became a big deal, and will be updated again whenever someone decides the pandemic has subsided enough that it doesn’t need to be in these docs.
- kragen 5y ago
  It says they updated it four days ago
dev_tty01 5y ago
Average flu deaths in the U.S. for the last decade are about 35,000 per year. In the U.S., even with vaccines and Omicron, we still had over 70,000 covid deaths in the last 30 days. Given that a typical flu season is 4 to 6 months long, I would say even the last month Covid has been much worse than a typical flu season. So, a covid outbreak in a fallout shelter would still be very difficult in that environment. There will be many older and otherwise immune-compromised people in a crowded shelter who are susceptible to a still highly contagious virus. It is completely reasonable to at least attempt to be cautious in the short term. By the way, "everyone" is not vaccinated. Only 65% of Americans are fully immunized at this point. I'm not saying Covid is the threat it was a year ago, but some prudence is still reasonable.
- kragen 5y ago
  Hmm, I guess you're right. Still, it doesn't seem like the same order of magnitude risk as fallout, civilizational collapse from nuclear war, or foreign invasion, and it's still much lower than the death rates from previous variants. Presumably the people who aren't vaccinated are the ones who are choosing to take on higher covid risk because they think the vaccination isn't worth it.