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You chose to make a statement by using a method of formatting dates almost no one recognizes, and is therefor predictably confusing and distracting. If you didn
by sequoia 5y ago
You chose to make a statement by using a method of formatting dates almost no one recognizes, and is therefor predictably confusing and distracting. If you didn't want to start a conversation about this topic, why did you make this statement in the first place?
If you'd your conversations not be derailed by discussion of esoteric date formats, that can achieved very simply: use the typical date formats everyone is familiar with.
- kragen 5y agoYou've implicitly glossed mattl's comment as "discussion of esoteric date formats". But it didn't discuss any date formats; instead, it launched into an unprovoked and irrelevant attack on an organization that date formats reminded them of, presumably in hopes that I was somehow associated with them. The problem is that there are bullies posting personal attacks, not that I'm the one being attacked. It's true that when griefers and bullies are around, it's the tall poppies that get cut down. But locating the problem in the poppies rather than the scythe-wielder is obvious nonsense. Someone looking hard enough for an excuse to attack others, Twitter-style, can always find a victim.
- mattl 5y agoI don’t care if you’re associated with them. I do want people to see them for what they’re doing. But you also brought this on by using their propaganda, perhaps in an attempt to promote them or perhaps not.
- kragen 5y agoI'm not responsible for your antisocial behavior. Knock it off.
- mattl 5y agoIt’s anti-social to call out an organization for their bullshit? Knock off posting 5 digit dates and people won’t call out their bullshit. Or yours.
- kragen 5y agoHN isn't here to give you a platform for callouts, particularly irrelevant and content-free callouts. It exists for the sake of curious exploration, not chimpanzee dominance games. Offering me ultimatums in this way because you are unable to control yourself at the sight of a five-digit date is a particularly egregious violation of these norms. Knock it off.
- mattl 5y agoI love how mad you’re getting that someone called you out. Guess what? I’m going to keep calling out bullshit. Long Now doing NFTs is bullshit. You can choose to show your love for them and people should absolutely call you on that.
- kragen 5y agoTo clarify, you seem to be saying: 1. Your intent was indeed to attack me. 2. Your attack is motivated by my perceived affiliation with a group to which you consider yourself superior; indeed, a group you despise. 3. If this angers me, you consider that a very desirable result. 4. You intend to keep attacking me every time you see me posting a 5-digit year, because you interpret that as a sign of affiliation with the group toward which your antipathy is directed. 5. There is nothing I, or anybody else, can do to change your mind. Am I interpreting you correctly? It's possible there's something I've misunderstood, so please correct me if that is the case. If that is correct, you are expressing an intention to convert HN into an open sewer. I will say again: please immediately desist from this contemptible misconduct.
- mattl 5y agoMy intention is to make people aware of the bullshit the Long Now foundation is doing. If it makes you mad, so be it. I don’t care about how it makes you feel. You do seem incredibly mad about it that you’re still replying to the thread days later, so I’ll assume you’re annoyed by the fact someone replied to you with something you don’t like, so yes I will continue to reply to anyone using 5 digit years pointing out the Long Now bullshit. If you feel attacked by this, don’t. It’s not about you. You’re not something I need to worry about. We know some common people. I will say this and please take this with jest and not any illwill, but stop fucking replying to this thread.
- sequoia 5y agoAs far as I can tell, promoting the longnow movement is the sole purpose of using that confusing and distracting date format. So critiques of the movement you're promoting seem completely germane.
- kragen 5y agoIf you're fundamentally driven by anger and hatred, looking for a target, sure. But if you're driven by curiosity and goodwill, it's just an unwanted distraction from the discussion of the history of operating systems.
- sequoia 5y agoYou chose to use your comment to promote longnow movement (there's no other reason to use that esoteric and confusing date format), and the conversation turned to the longnow movement. If you don't want to discuss the longnow movement in the future, don't bring it up.
- kragen 5y agoHacker News exists for curious, open-minded discussion of ideas, whether they're esoteric and confusing date formats, the history of operating systems, or the future of work in the wake of the pandemic. It does not exist for partisan struggles in which people compete to most vehemently condemn whoever they consider to be the other side, which is what mattl was doing. If you're looking for that, go back to Twitter; don't try to turn Hacker News into yet another wasteland of content-free dunking and ultimatums.